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By Andrea Kuszewski | September 28th 2009 10:28 PM | 46 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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About Andrea Kuszewski

Andrea is currently a Behavior Therapist and Consultant, treating children on the Autism Spectrum in Boston, MA, USA. She is also a researcher for METODO Transdisciplinary Research Group on Social... Full Bio

We look at heroes and do-gooders as a special sort of breed; people who possess extraordinary traits of altruism, or self-less concern for the well-being of others, even at the expense of their own existence. On the other end, sociopaths also have an extraordinary set of traits, such as extreme selfishness, lack of impulse control, no respect for rules, and no conscience.

As crazy as it sounds, there may be a closer link than than most people would think between the extreme-altruistic personality and sociopathic personality. Would it shock you to know that two people, one with the traits of extreme-altruism (X-altruism) and the other the traits of a sociopath, could be related? Even siblings? And that their personality traits are very similar, with only a few features to distinguish them? Research by Watson, Clark, and Chmielewki from the University of Iowa, "Structures of Personality and Their Relevance to Psychopathology", present a convincing argument in which they support the growing push for a trait dimensional scheme in the new DSM- V to replace the current categorical system.

Personality has consistently shown to be extremely heritable. However, the same genetic material arranged and weighted in a slightly different way, may at times express as vastly different phenotypes: the "extremely good" and the "extremely bad" individual. How is this possible?

At a first glance, one would be compelled to put the sociopath and the X-atruistic person on opposite ends of a personality scale. After all, the chances of a serial killer running into a burning building to save a child are pretty slim, right? And wouldn't a hero-type be one of the last people likely to break rules? WRONG!!!!

Someone who goes out of their way to help others, even at the expense of their own welfare, is actually more likely to break rules than the average person. Think of Dr Ross from the early days of the TV show "ER". He was constantly pushing limits, breaking the rules, throwing caution to the wind, all for the sake of the child-patient, even when it ultimately meant getting fired. On 9/11, after it was apparent that the buildings were about to collapse, teams of firefighters were called back, yet they disobeyed orders and pushed on anyway, only to perish in the quest to possibly save even one more life. Those are the actions of a hero, or an X-altruistic personality type. But consider the type of rule-breaking that the X-altruist engages in- would you classify it as criminal, or even unlawful? How does motive factor in?

People whom we consider to be heroes (or X-altruists, as I am referring to them here), while among some of the most admired individuals, they possess many of the same traits as the sociopath. However, there is a fundamental difference in the motivation behind their actions that distinguish them from their nasty cohorts. Incidentally, that one difference is vitally important in determining if someone turns out to be the comic book hero or more like his archenemy.

X-altruists are compelled to good, even when doing so makes no sense and brings harm upon them. The cannot tolerate injustice, and go to extreme lengths to help those who have been wronged, regardless of their personal relationship to them. Now, I am not speaking of the guy who helps an old lady cross the street. I am speaking of the guy who throws himself in front of a speeding bus to push the old lady out of the way, killing himself in the process. The average, kind, thoughtful person does not take these kinds of extreme personal risks on a regular basis.

If you asked someone with an X-altruistic personality why they take the actions they do (and I have personal knowledge of at least one person like this), they would tell you that they couldn't help themselves. When they are faced with that moment, they just act. Compulsively. Barely considering any other course. The lack the impulse control to stop themselves from doing "the right thing" when it comes to the welfare of others, yet ironically, it almost always results in some form of negative consequence for themselves. They have no problem breaking the rules when it means helping an innocent, yet they highly value the importance of obeying rules in other contexts. That's crazy, you say? Now you're getting the idea.

The word "altruism" conveys images of people like Mother Teresa or Ghandi, passive, extremely self-less people. They are altruistic, sure. But the X-altruistic person is anything but passive or meek. They are often feisty, argumentative, independent, idealistic risk-takers and convention-breakers. Sound sort of like the sociopathic personality? Let's take a closer look at some similarities and differences between the two.

Sociopath:
  • low impulse control
  • high novelty-seeking (desire to experience new things, take more risks, break convention)
  • no remorse for their actions (lack of conscience)
  • inability to see beyond their own needs (lack of empathy)
  • willing to break rules
  • always acts in the interest of himself


X-altruist:
  • low impulse control
  • high novelty-seeking
  • little remorse for their actions (would "do it again in a heartbeat")
  • inability to see past the needs of others (very high empathy)
  • willing to break rules
  • acts in the best interest of others, or for the "common good" (because it is the right thing to do)

Both X-altruists and sociopaths have high impulsivity, need for novelty, and the tendency to break rules, but their is a fundamental difference in the motivation driving their behavior. Someone who is altruistic is always looking to the idealistic good situation, or the way things should be in a fair and just world. They are able to empathize- feel what the other person is feeling, or imagine themselves in another's shoes. This empathy is the force that moves them to engage in heroic behaviors. They have a need to live in "a fair and just world", and will go to great lengths to try and maintain that. They are driven by factors outside of themselves, externally motivated drives, such as aiding the plight of society or serving the "greater good".

The sociopath, on the other hand, is motivated by internal factors; selfish desires and the advancement of their own cause, rather than the causes of others or society as a whole. They don't have the ability to empathize, so they see no logic in acting in any way other than selfishly, since they cannot imagine themselves in anyone else's position. Everything they do is driven by their quest to satisfy their own needs, rather than (and often at the expense of) the needs of another person.

If an altruistic person is able to empathize, and thus is motivated to help others, the X-altruistic person has too much empathy for others, driving them to break rules and put themselves in harms way in order to alleviate the suffering of others or bring fairness to the world. That extreme empathy, combined with a lower impulse control, the need for novelty, and an intolerance for injustice, is the trait formula of the X-altruistic personality. Because this type of person often engages in such extreme behavior that results in harm to self on some level, he earns a spot on the dysfunctional end of the personality scale, nearing psychopathology.

Interestingly, these two type of individuals, the sociopath and the X-altruist, may appear similar in their displays of behavior, and at times, even confused for the other type. If an X-altruistic person is compelled to break rules without remorse in order to help a disadvantaged person, is may seem as if he is acting rebelliously, especially if the motives behind his behavior are not known. On the other hand, a sociopath may donate a large sum of money to a charity, a seemingly altruistic behavior, but his actions may have been motivated by his selfish need to appear better than or more generous than a colleague. The defining characteristic that separates the two personality types is their ability to empathize, either not at all or too much, which then drives the extreme behavior of each.

So while the X-altruistic person indeed acts for the good of the people, he often violates laws, breaks rules, or otherwise causes ripples in the order of society. To be a good citizen, we are required and expected to follow laws at all times. But we can all agree that the world needs extreme heroes; they are the ones who consistently go above and beyond the call of duty, for self-less reasons, even when it could mean losing their job, receiving hefty fines, or even serving time in jail.

But are they really criminals? Or do we need to bend the rules at times in order to allow for these types of do-gooders to continue on their path, bringing righteousness and justice to an otherwise corrupt world? Where do we draw the line between criminality and heroism?

Here's an even better question:

How exactly do we support necessary rule-breaking for virtuous intent, yet punish malicious rule-breaking for ill-intent? Can it be done? Maybe someday we will be able to write public policy that actually serves the best intent of the people, even if it means that once in a while, some rules need to be broken in the process.

I want to send a message out to all of those heroic, X-altruists out there, continually putting their butts on the line for our well-being: Thank you. The world is a better place because you dare to do good... even when it seems crazy to do so.

*For more on the HEXACO Personality Inventory and how traits define psychopathology, look here. (this was added after posting the original article)

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Gerhard Adam's picture
But are they really criminals? Or do we need to bend the rules at times
in order to allow for these types of do-gooders to continue on their
path, bringing righteousness and justice to an otherwise corrupt world?
Where do we draw the line between criminality and heroism?

As long as no harm follows, then it's probably OK.  What you're describing is also the rationale for those that would shoot abortion doctors.  They are also the types that become terrorists/martyrs for religious causes.  None of them consider themselves behaving in a criminal fashion, but rather that they are performing above and beyond the call of their duty.  I'm sure Tim McVeigh didn't consider himself a sociopath as much as someone that was being altruistic/heroic for his cause.

I don't disagree that sometimes the rules need to get bent, but it's still prudent to be sure that you aren't in the way when they do.

Andrea Kuszewski's picture
Gerhard: I'll comment more later; I am in a rush to leave for work in a moment or two, but I wanted to leave a quick response to your comment.

I wondered how long it would take for someone to present your view...

Terrorism and acts of violence do not qualify as altruistic acts, regardless of the motive, intent, self-sacrifice or empathy for any cause or person that was behind it. That is exactly my point about the types of personalities at a first glance appearing as one, but really is another. Psychopathological and delusional motives that are used to justify the killing of others is exactly the kind of thing that infuriates the extremely altruistic person. In no way do I advocate that sort of thing. Terrorists are motivated by their selfish pursuit to push their own ideology on the masses.... hardly a self-less mission to benefit others.

Gerhard Adam's picture
Psychopathological and delusional motives that are used to justify the
killing of others is exactly the kind of thing that infuriates the
extremely altruistic person.

That sounds like a biased perspective.  Justification for killing is used all the time for the military and we refer to them as heroes without qualification.  I think we have to be careful that we don't consider people we agree with as heroes, while those we disagree with as delusional.  That's precisely what creates the conflicts in the first place.

Similarly, I don't want to get into the political dimension, but there are certainly many people that would interpret a desire to "bring democracy to the Middle East" as a delusional motive.

You could argue that their behavior is different because they are killing without provocation and perhaps you might be right there, but I suspect that for many they consider that provocative acts have been committed.  Similarly, we have adopted a policy of pre-emptive strike which says that we feel justified in acting without provocation by the presence of what we consider to be a threat.

What is interesting is that your statement suggests that the extremely altruistic person would be "infuriated" by such a comparison.  Perhaps infuriated enough to kill someone without provocation?

all human beings have a basic instinct to survive. Most people would kill to defend their own life. An x-alturist would pre-emtively perceive the immenant danger and intervene to prevent infuriating provocation, in a civilized manner, by lobbying, boycotting, picketing, petioning, protesting, moving, getting a divorce, taking a time-out, asking for help, calling 911 etc. If they live in a volitile situation or a sociopathic community, they maybe labelled a chronic complainer.

"Psychopathological and delusional motives that are used to justify the killing of others is exactly the kind of thing that infuriates the extremely altruistic person." .... Being a diagnosed x-altruist I disagree with the word "infuriate". Irrate or aggrivate is more apt a term, as we tend to be pro-active and hyper-vigilante, intervening to curtail fury. I'd say the line between altruism and psychopathology is when someone would intentionally cause harm to themself, to save another.
That's not rationale. What good can we be to anyone if we are dead? suicide boombers for instance, they aren't martyres or hero's, they are misguided impressionable people compelled to committ a criminal act to bring attention to a political and religious ideology. Their chosen behavior, to kill themselves, doesn't intervene to prevent harm to others....perhaps if someone had a fatally contagious disease with no cure, suicide could be concidered an act of altruism, otherwise, it's harmful behavior...an altruistic person lives by the motto 'an it harm none, do what ye will".

I am an x-altruist.
Empathy is so extreme that actually feel other peoples pain, sometimes seeking medical care and being told there's nothing wrong with me.
When I observe something that's likely to have a harmful consequence for others, even so far as future generations, I intervene and sometimes others who don't perceive the looming danger think my behavior is irrelevant or bizzare.
I've been told when seeking therapy that I don't have an ego or a strong enough sence of self to have therapy.
I've tried psychotropic medication a few times and found that it has the reverse effect, like Paxil actually made me suicidal.

There's a huge difference between being pro-life and being an anti-abortionist.
A pro-lifer would give of themself with money or time inorder to eliviate the fears and suffering of a pregnant woman in distress. Anti-abortionists don't seem to care about woman unless they are financially secure and married. They preach right wing morality and condemn innocent women that don't fit into their delusion of a perfect world.

Gerhard Adam's picture
Just to add a quick comment.  From a biological perspective, we expect social animals to have the possibility of altruism with those belonging to the same social group.  Therefore even the eusocial insects are capable of great cooperation and even altruism (even if it is hard-wired) and be vicious and hostile to members of the same species belonging to a different colony.

Similarly with other social animals, one can never extend the concept of cooperation or altruism across the social group that one is examining.  This is where my comment was going on the previous post, because it is too easy to see heroes within the same social group that they operate in and it is too easy to find fault with those outside our own social group. 

I would suggest that if there is a classification called altruistic and one called psychopathic, then the social groups that gave rise to these individuals would agree on how they should be classified, while the classification of someone outside the social group would introduce the potential for bias.

How about a study on sociopaths who are only do-gooders in order to cover up the fact that they are sociopaths?? I was close to one of them; he is the king of the animal rights community and a wonderful spokesperson, a very intelligent and engaging voice for the voiceless. But on a personal level, he is extrememly maladjusted, posesses very poor communication skills and he was quite cruel and abusive towards me, both mentally and physically. His public and private personas were two very distinct personalites. After deciding that he was the biggest phony I had ever met in my life, I left.

Check out the Hare Psychopathy Checklist Revised (PCL-R). There's an entry on Wikipedia.

It has two factors, the first represents a core selfishness and lack of empathy, whereas the second represents a chaotic lifestyle, due to a lack of fear and a failure to anticipate negative future consequences.

People who lack fear can be heroic, but can also fail to anticipate future negative outcomes, hence acting impulsively and even antisocially. Bravery is different from fearlessness however, as this involves resisting ones fear, even though behaviourally it may look the same. Fearless people actually lack all sense of caution.

It could be that some heroic people lack fear and so share traits with antisocial people. You make the point that heroes have empathy whereas psychopaths do not, which is a good distinction.

kerrjac's picture
So when do we get to see the sequel to the Dark Knight?

Interesting article.

Of consideration is the larger societal effect of each personality type. An evolutionary theory holds that psychopaths emerge by taking advantage of reciprocal altruism. That is, if society produced too many psychopaths (eg, you scratch my back, I won't scratch yours, but take your shirt), then everyone would be worried about other people screwing them over. But under a certain threshold, psychophaths can pray on society, moving from victim to victim with relative ease.

That psychopathy relates to extreme altruism is fascinating in that this might have the opposite extreme pull on society. A possibility based on the genetic evidence is that a percent of people in society are overly predisposed to lean towards extreme psychopathy or altruism, with environmental factors holding sway over which side people are likely to go.

From the psychopathy side, I've always thought this could make a neat theory (and sketched it out in a different comment on Gerhards post http://www.scientificblogging.com/comments/22625/Psychopathy_aka_being), providing a genetic mechanism (eg, % predisposed to be at risk for psychopath) for environmental conditions (% where environmental conditions signal psychopath) to hone overall society. Societies with negative underlying currents, may in this manner fail more quickly than otherwise by implicitly signaling to produce more psychopaths.

The altruistic side may compliment this rather well, showing a directly analogous mechanism that may pull society up rather than down. There maybe other complimentary bits as well, as I suspect that extreme altruism runs more in females, while psychopathy I know runs more in males. If such is the case, we maybe the same trait manifested differently across gender.

Gerhard Adam's picture
Kerr jac, 

Something else to consider is the degree of anonymity afforded by modern society which allows psychopathic behaviors to more readily manifest themselves.  In small communities, it would be much harder to act in such a fashion, since the individual would be more easily identified.

I think people are confusing the traits of fear and empathy when they talk about psychopaths. It seems to work like this:

Successful psychopath (e.g. Enron Executive) = Low Empathy only
Criminal Psychopath (e.g. Kray Twins) = Low Fear AND Low Empathy
Anti Social Personality Disorder (e.g. most people in prison for theft)
= Low Fear alone, which can lead to the failure to anticipate negative consequences of ones actions

Hero = High Bravery, i.e. the capacity to inhibit ones fear when in a life and death situation, or occasionally, low fear. BUT high empathy also

Antihero = High Bravery (or low fear) but is only doing "heroic" acts to bring attention towards themselves

Nurse = High Empathy, could have any level of fear or bravery

The problem is that by using the term altruistic most people assume this is high empathy, which is exactly what psychopaths lack. The author is giving the impression (non deliberately) that we are comparing psychopaths and nurses when in fact we are comparing anti social personality disorder and acts of bravery. Its a very different comparison...

Gerhard Adam's picture
The problem is that by using the term altruistic most people assume
this is high empathy, which is exactly what psychopaths lack. The
author is giving the impression (non deliberately) that we are
comparing psychopaths and nurses when in fact we are comparing anti
social personality disorder and acts of bravery.

I would agree that terminology can be a problem.  However, it is equally important to not use altruism to describe motivation.  It is the act and not the individual that is altruistic.

From  a biological perspective, most psychopaths would be considered "asocial" in that they have no sense of social connections and consequently no empathy towards others.  The terminology is also problematic in biology when "altruism" is used to explain the motivation of an animal to help another.  The point is that regardless of the motivation, whether it be manipulative, selfish, or completely genuine, it is the act that counts and not what drives the person.

Similarly it makes little difference what motivates the hero, only that their action was heroic.

Motivation should only be evaluated against individuals, but not against general classes of behavior.

Andrea Kuszewski's picture
In trying to think of how to answer to all of the comments in the most efficient way possible, a friend of mine sent me a link to this news story, about a woman in Kenya who fits the exact profile of the X-altruist. I was so moved by her story; she is amazing.

Rather than spending a good chunk of the night responding to every point made in the comments, I thought I would just allow you to read her story, so you can get an idea of the type of selflessly driven, resilient, fearless, do-gooder in which I am referring (I can clarify any other questions if you still have any). These are good people- don't get me wrong. But their tendency to take revolutionary action to benefit the greater, higher moral purpose often results in a lifetime of struggle and hardship for themselves. However, they are quite resilient, which is a great topic for another day. (^_^)

Thanks for all of the insightful comments!

Gerhard Adam's picture
Perhaps I'm being too picky, but this article didn't seem like it reflected altruism.  Maybe it's my terminology, but the woman seemed more like someone I would consider an idealist.  In other words, someone that is motivated to pursue an idea (or ideal).  This would closely parallel the altruist/psychopath but from a completely different motivational perspective.

The altruist is interested in devotion to others, while the psychopath is devoted to themselves.  The idealist is motivated by ideas (good or bad), so someone like Hitler, Lenin, and Jefferson would have been idealists.  In other words, people that (for good or bad) are motivated to effect the world to attempt to transform it. 

Note, I'm not suggesting that Hitler was a good guy, but to call him a psychopath misses the point.  In all likelihood he would have been quite ordinary otherwise, but he was motivated by an ideal that he thought he could transform the world with.   Similarly, the idealist opposite would be someone like Ghandi, who was also motivated to transform the world from a completely different philosophical perspective.

The altruist (IMO) isn't concerned about the world as much as they are concerned with their duty/responsibility to others.  Similarly, the psychopath operates with the same agenda, except with themselves as the recipient of the attention.

As I said, maybe I'm being too particular about the terms, but it's something I thought should be considered.

I think it is indeed essential to make a difference between being motivated by ideas and the 'impulsive act' of an altruist.

Maybe that altruist is also acting because of a certain idealistic view (making the world a better place or so) but key is that he is not forcing his ideas upon others. He is just doing the 'right thing at the right moment' because he could not help himself.

Anyway, fantastic article.

You should read Lila by Robert Pirsig. It talks about this subject but in some more depth.

I would not consider that I possess the traits of extreme-altruism, but I've always been the good, honest guy, with nothing to hide, and a passion for the loves in my life. Currently mid-50s, single, three kids, two grandkids.

I have three siblings, also in their 50s. All liars. Two are very malicious sociopaths. In 2003, when my oldest sister realized I knew of her deceptions, she quietly went on a 'textbook' assassination of my character, focussing on extended family and friends. I should have expected it, but I was a bit naive.

The difficult part now is not knowing what she fabricated about me, since by the time I began to sense it, no one in my family would even respond to me anymore. Talk about shallow, gullible individuals.

The story is much longer, which is why I recently began documenting the events on a Web site, in hopes to warn others of the dangers.

Oh no, does creating that Web site make me a X-altruism?

http://Country-of-Liars.com

For a contrary view, read Robert Hare, one of the world's leading experts on psychopathy [aka sociopathy or anti-social personality]. In his book, "Without conscience" he asserts that those in the anti-social spectrum are highly unlikely to engage in any altruistic behavior.

Andrea Kuszewski's picture
The "close link" I was referring to was genetically, not within the same person. They are definitely two very different phenotypes, the X-Altruist and the Sociopath, and neither one is likely to act like the other in that pathological fashion. The point I am making, is that similar personality traits exist in both manifestations, yet there is a crucial difference in empathy and self-perception which distinguishes the two on opposite ends of a "good" scale.

TV characters are pretend people. They're not valid examples for illustrating a point, especially pertaining to human character.

I think you're right about the fearlessness aspect Andrea. Fearless people can be heroes or monsters. But the primary trait of sociopaths/psychopaths is total callousness - they don't care about anyone other than themselves. Callous people are not going to do heroic or altruistic behaviour. Fearlessness describes people with antisocial personality disorder, which are distinct from the psychopaths Robert Hare describes.

If you changed the title to Heroes or Anti Social Personality Disorder you'd be spot on :)

sounds like you watch a lot of "Dexter" to me and needed a way to justify buying the dvd's as a tax write-off.

Andrea Kuszewski's picture
Actually, Lomax, I don't know who or what "Dexter" is, but I am intrigued if it relates to my article. I'll have to look it up.

Hank's picture
He must mean this Dexter.   That's a heck of a compliment really.   This guy is smart!
And you have better hair.  Bonus!

Dexter's Laboratory


If "cartoon dexter" is not doing it for you, you might try this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dexter_(TV_series)

He seems to fit this conversation (to a degree).

Have everyone forgotten about the teachings of all established past and latest profits of God? The latest (Bahai' Faith) will reveal the most acceptable answer to the above once and for all, so we can all start doing what needs to be done rather than talk about things to no end and no results.

Andrea Kuszewski's picture
While I do appreciate you reading my article and leaving a comment, I have absolutely no idea where you were going with that. However, interesting.

Becky Jungbauer's picture
Actually, Andrea, when I first started reading I thought you were writing this article about Dexter, as Lomax Lamat points out. I love the show because of the interesting premise and fabulous writing; he characterizes these seemingly paradoxical personalities in a way that you like him and sympathize with him. It's on Showtime, and you can probably check it out on Netflix. With your background and research interests, I think you'd really enjoy it.

Andrea Kuszewski's picture
Ah, ok. I looked at the link. Now I see why everyone has been mentioning it. Heh. And I just wrote about the topic because it is one I have thought about for some time, and have some personal ties to the issues mentioned. I guess this just proves I am too far ahead of my time for even myself to realize. ;)

Andrea Kuszewski's picture
And too bad I have no time to watch TV. In fact, I have been in Boston for over 2 months, and have yet to plug in my TV.

Becky Jungbauer's picture
That's ok, you don't need a TV. You just need someone who has a subscription to Showtime and will send you Dexter CDs and chocolate chip cookies, and you can watch it on your computer! I love mother-in-laws. :)

Andrea Kuszewski's picture
That's funny... mother-in-laws never love me.... must be the fact that I "wear too much make-up, my hair is 'too big', and I show too much cleavage". Good thing about divorce: you get to leave behind the crazy family also. ;)

And with that said, I am off to bed. WAY too tired, and WAY too little sleep last night.  (^_^)

My response to this article is, "so what?" The sociopath acts in his own interest; the x-altruist acts in the best interest of others. In my opinion, these are the only two choices in life.

My older brother saved two children from a burning building many years ago in British Columbia. He was awarded the Medal of Honour, the third-highest honour given by the Governor-General (Canada's Head of State, the Queen's Representative). Therefore, I do know a hero personally! He's not the "X-altruist" you speak of, though. I'm not sure that person exists. We all make moment by moment decisions in times of crisis, even Mother Theresa. We count the cost , we weigh the balance. (Sociopaths don't do that.) You do not know what was in that little woman's heart, did she have times of doubt, of fears, of struggles, of frustration--hopelessness, times when she wanted to throw in the towel? You only see her final decision: to stand her ground, to eschew the pleasures of her own life so that others might live a little longer.

"to eschew the pleasures of life so that others might live longer" is what alot of parents do, from rationing food and water to investing in educational savings plans...perhaps altruism is more of a verb then a noun describing a particular personality trait...maybe the majority of people are capable of being altruistic, hero's and even saints, if they are put into a position that calls for personal sacrifice in the best interest of others.
Look at the massively impulsive and immediate action taken by Canadians after the 911 attack, millions upon millions of Canadians simultaniously "rising to the call" offering hope, encouragement, help and intervention, lining the border from the Atlantic to the Pacific with candles and nobody needed to ask or tell us too.

jzaki's picture
Andrea, this article is fascinating.  I also wonder if you think that x-altruism might be "evolutionarily stable," or rather adaptive for groups as a whole.  For example, x-altruists might be more likely to engage in "altruistic punishment," which in the negative can be thought of as vigilante justice, but in the positive is absolutely necessary for staving off the dominance of so-called cheaters (as demonstrated by Fehr and others)... what do you think?  Could x-altruism be a pathology, but one that is necessary? 

I keep thinking of objections, only to scroll down and find that Gerhard Adam is already there ahead of me; I'll hazard a couple of points anyway, from the comfort of my armchair.

The implication that basic human 'drives' (leaving aside what those may be) manifest themselves in a huge variety of weird ways--some seemingly quite opposite in effect--makes sense. However, the New York firefighters acted in a group; I wonder if group dynamics don't trump the individual low impulse control/high novelty seeking characteristics that send one person out in front of a bus, or into a burning house. Fire and Police departments do the best they can to keep that sort of person from enlisting: while a hero like that may be lucky once, he/she won't be lucky twice, and those whose job it is to face danger on a daily basis are trained to quickly assess risk and then act--the exact opposite of impulsive thrill-seeking. The fact that these people know that even when the chances are 10 to 1 in their favour they still lose one time in ten is what makes them heroic in my mind.

Similarly, Wangari Maathal, and Aung San Suu Kyi and Nelson Mandela, are 'heroes' who cannot be described as 'impulsive'; 'stubborn' is one sometimes negative word that comes to mind, and--to take as an example the campaign-loving mother of a school friend of mine several decades ago--'empathy' for an abstraction called 'the public' or 'the people' is not the same as empathy towards one's own family. You might find some parallels there with 'terrorists', or 'freedom fighters', depending on whose side they're on. (Although the 'group' plays a big part in that one, too.)

One thing, though, that psychology seems inevitably to de-emphasize is the role of thought in human action, which is what inspired Karl Kraus' famous put-down of Freud as 'a disease masquerading as a cure'. While psychology undoubtedly influences thought, there is a point at which thought breaks free of psychology and leads the thinker--as any philosopher will tell you--into a universe of contradictions and weird conclusions. To those whose psychology gives them the tendency to think beyond that psychology, scores on impulse and empathy tests will never predict who will--given the right circumstances--be a hero, and who will not.

I really don't like this article or the direction it takes us in.

Headline : don’t respect people who do good things they are just doing it in response to pathological urges and should be considered on the same psychological typing scale as sociopaths.
The formal science doesn't have the same impact as they use technical definitions not moral ones for terms like sociopath.
Society at large however has a less nuanced view and it is in reporting the cut down version that we run into trouble.

One person disregards societies rules for their own good (sociopath) the other disregards societies current rules for societies good.

The compulsion argument advanced in the article is less than compelling and the categorisation of the so called x-altruist types is very weak and in some place inconsistent. To define altruistic behaviour as aberrant is abhorrent but it is also in this instance wrong.

Most of the people listed such as Mother Theresa and Ghandi developed their philosophies of life over years. It was a moral choice not a psychological compulsion.

You can say that their need to do good was a compulsion but reading about them it seems to me it was an agonising and sometimes painful series of choices made in their efforts to become more human.

We look up to people like this not for following an urge but for doing the opposite, making the hard choice and taking a moral decision. This is not compulsion it is sacrifice, to ignore this is just plain wrong.
If we set a definition of aberrant as different from the norm then I guess Mandela, Einstein, Mozart Feynman et al are all pathological too.

To describle everyone who breaks societies rules as aberrant is not a smart move for mankind as its seems that our most productive creative and useful members will all fall outside the statistical bell curve of psychological typing normality.

Hmmmmph sorry just had to get that out of my system.

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Having been diagnosed as altristic, this article did compell me to become defensive.
The article has an antagonising muse about it.

Urban Ascentic's statement :The formal science doesn't have the same impact as they use technical definitions not moral ones for terms like sociopath." leads my mind astray to a current massive human rights violation that is deminishing the quality of life and opportunities to achieve ones individual potential, being committed by the auto-insurance sector.

My policy, and many others, has a clause that says "no unmarried male drivers under the age of 25 are allowed to operate this motor vehicle."
I talked to my friendly and informative insurance agent about this and it was explained to me that the insurance companies have been gathering statistic for years, and those statistics show that identifiable sub-group are the most irresponsible, and therefor should pay the highest price for the priviledge of driving."
I told him that I believe my sons who fall into that catagory are responsible and deserve the priviledge to drive
inorder to increase their income potential and employability, but we are a poor family and can't afford the expense.

I argue that if the insurance companies are going to gather and use statistics to interfer with an individuals rights and freedoms, based on a character trait such as responsible, then to be fair, they should include the identifiable sub-group of underpriviledged unlicensed unmarried males under 25.
They would likely find that group to be the most responsible citizens of all.
When they turn 25 they should give them a reduced rate of insurance.

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I will be live on-air for a radio interview tomorrow at 1:05 ET on the Rutherford Show to discuss this article, if anyone is interested in tuning in. You can live stream it online by going to this website.


Maybe somebody already touched on this point, but I just thought I would give my 2 cents on this.

On both sides of the spectrum, the X-altruist and the Sociopath, the biggest key to both that I can see is self-perception. Applying that to Gerhard's example of a terrorist, they very well see themselves as altruists. In their social circle or even religious circles, they are seen as martyrs, and that's how they see themselves. The X-altruist acts on how they perceive society, and their perception of right and wrong, just and injust, and so on. If someone is acquitted of being a rapist because of a lack of evidence, according to societal laws justice was served, and the innocent went free due to a lack of guilt. An X-altruist may go above this and act on his own sense of justice, even though it doesn't collaborate with the views of the rest of society.

So here's my summary: Our perception of their actions are worthless. We're dealing with psychopathic people. Someone we see as a sociopath could see themselves as altruistic, based on the internal moral compass.

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Thanks for the insightful comments! I think you should listen to the audio broadcast of yesterday's on-air interview I had discussing this very point regarding the law and treatment of altruists. I think you will find I agree with you on many points.

I don't believe altruists are anymore likely to be psychopaths then atheists, capitalists or anarchists.

Thank you for posting the link to your audio broadcaste Andrea.
Unfortunately, probably due to the fact that I've been outcaste from the workforce that's seemingly controlled by sociopaths, because I'm a whistleblowing x-altruist, I'm suffering from extreme financial hardship and cannot afford to purchase the CHEDAMaudioVault program, so there's no sound coming through the windows media player.

Let me give you an example. I was employed for almost a quarter of a century as a playground supervisor at various elementary schools. My final assignment was at a small inner core area school that didn't have a schoolyard big enough for all the children to safely play at noon-hour, so each day I would take a grade level across the street to play in a city park. There is a pool house and the door of it was covered with obscene graffiti, including telephone numbers.
The older children were complaining and the younger ones wanted to know what certain obscene words meant. The schools policy is to provide a safe nurturing enviroment. This most certainly wasn't nurturing, unless you want to nurture a bunch of sociopaths. I talked to the cityworks department and they said they were only mandated and had the budgeting to paint and clean graffiti once a year. I told the principal, and asked if the grade 8's could have permission to paint a mural over the graffiti...she said no because the city owned the park and if the school did anything to clean it up they'd assume responsibility and didn't have the budget....so I brought a can of spray paint and covered up the obscentities myself and got fired for gross misconduct, because I acted without permission, setting a precident.
Initially they wanted to fire me for gross negligence, but I argued that they were negligent for exposing the children to the obsenities, including telephone numbers to call for explicit sexual favaours...so they changed it to gross misconduct. They said I was a bad role model, teaching the children to be civilally disobediant and to ensure they didn't think they could get away with taking matters into their own hands they actually terminated the job position entirely and now none of the children get to go to the park.

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