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By Garth Sundem | February 4th 2009 05:00 AM | 24 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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About Garth Sundem

Do you need a Monday morning shot of geekery?

If so, you've come to the right place. Every Monday, early, I'll drop splendid geekery from the fields of physics, math, computer science, zoology


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Throughout history, scientists, philosophers, mathematicians and Phd students lacking funding for actual research have turned to the thought experiment in hopes of discovering something publishable, thereby retaining tenure and/or attracting the admiration of comely undergraduates.

The best thought experiments throw light into dark corners of the universe and also provide other scientists, philosophers, mathematicians and destitute Phd students a way to kill time while waiting for the bus. Below is a classic thought experiment, pillaged from my book The Geeks' Guide to World Domination (Be Afraid, Beautiful People). I'll post a new thought experiment each day this week.

Schrödinger’s Cat


In 1949 the physicists Erwin Schrödinger and Albert Einstein got together to chat about reality. This led to a number of discoveries, among them the First Law of Physicist-Assisted Entropy, which states that “whenever two physicists get together to chat about reality, the total amount of reality (R) in the universe is decreased in direct proportion to the combined IQ of said physicists.”

The FLOPAE was a product mostly of Schrödinger’s Cat, a thought experiment in which the feline in question was eventually pronounced both alive and dead at the same time (according to quantum physics…).

First, imagine a cat in a box. You can't see in and the cat can’t see out. What the cat can see is a rock, a Geiger counter and a vial of poison. Now, the rock is slightly radioactive, with an exactly 50/50 chance of emitting a subatomic particle in the course of an hour. If the rock emits a particle, the Geiger counter will flip a switch that breaks the vial of poison, killing the cat. (Note to PETA: thought experiment.)

At the end of the hour, from the point of an observer outside the box, is the cat alive or dead? Maybe both at the same time? Has this event generated one world in which the cat is alive and another world in which the cat is dead?

Physicist Stephen Hawking said, “When I hear of Schrödinger’s Cat, I reach for my gun.”

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Becky Jungbauer's picture
If I remember correctly, this is a critique of the zany field of quantum mechanics, which says that the solution is the cat is both alive and dead. Our limited perception of reality suggests that the cat can only be one - but perhaps there are shades of gray, as discussed in the God and Government post? And when does the cat become one - when it is observed? Or before observation? My other beef with this experiment - why a cuddly cat and not an evil taratula? I want the cat to be alive because I like cats, whereas tarantulas scare the living crap out of me and I'd rather see it dead.

Garth Sundem's picture
I saw this great play in Vancouver, BC once, called Other Freds. We start with one Fred and with each decision Fred's faced with, we split off Freds: a Fred for decision A and a Fred for decision B (like the pages of a choose your own adventure). The various Freds continue to live their various lives from there...in their various worlds.

This isn't a new idea, but it's certainly a fun one: the idea that other versions of ourselves are alive and living nearly parallel but one-decision-removed lives. In fact, Hank riffed about infinity in a comment on one of my earlier thought experiment posts—if the universe is infinite, there ARE parallel worlds in which a near exact replica of yourself lives a near exact replica life...only with one decision changed. Okay, where did I lose the thread of the cat? Anyway, like Hawking, after reading a description of this thought experiment, I want to reach for my gun, but I'm inclined to believe in the objectivity of the universe, whether I witness it or not. Dude, the cat's either alive or dead, despite the egotism of particle physicists requiring their knowledge of such to make it so. If a tree falls in the forest...

Becky Jungbauer's picture
Dude, the cat's either alive or dead...

Well put. :)

Your Fred play reminds me of that Gwyneth Paltrow movie Sliding Doors. I liked it because it reminds me of that 'when a butterfly flaps its wings' concept. These thought experiments are an awesome idea - I'm glad you are posting them!

Gerhard Adam's picture
My problem is with the apparent bias in quantum mechanics that constantly allows the dude in the other universe to sleep in, while I have to get up every morning.

Becky Jungbauer's picture
If you slept in, would that force the parallel universe dude to get up?

Gerhard Adam's picture
probably not .... lazy bastard

Well it's all well and good, then. We do prefer our cats alive and our tarentulas dead, don't we.

But wait a minute...dude, that red particle going through that double slit over yonder IS here and there at the same time. I wonder what sound it makes as it whizzes through here and there simultaneously...

Seriously, i haven't seen on this (very entertaining) thread addressed the initial question that prompted the thought experiment...ie that at the level of particles, it is an established fact (last time i looked) that an object can behave in a probabilistic way with the apparent superposed states and all rather than...the regular way...If at the particles (or light or atoms or even molecules now) level it is happening, can it affect bigger objects? If it can't, why not?

Garth Sundem's picture
Very, very good point. Again, I'm impressed by readers here. I'd add that with various particles popping into and out of existence, when Captain S finally opens his box, he may find no cat at all...

Hank's picture
You think you guys roll your eyes?   I was the one who had to get letters from both of them complaining about each other.    Einstein with his 'God does not play dice' with the world business and Schrödinger with his non-factorizable joint state functions (WHAT?  You can never see anything?!?  Madness!) and don't even get me started on Heisenberg.

I tried to get them to realize that there are parameters other than position and momentum or energy and time but do I ever get mentioned in Scientific Blogging articles?  Nope.  Nothing.  It's all irradiated LOLcats and funny faces.

Indeterminacy is a symptom; entanglement is the underlying disease.

Love,

Max Born

Becky Jungbauer's picture
Well, Max, perhaps if you hadn't let your "superstars stretch past" you, you would have had some recognition. The Nobel Prize is all well and good, but it was awarded (a) for a statistical interpretation and (b) in the same year that Oprah was born, so any future reference to 1954 belongs to Oprah. Sorry, Max. In the next life, hog the limelight a little.

Hank's picture
Exactly.  Everyone says they would reward people who go out of their way to help others without caring about credit but Born is an unheralded hero in physics because he helped everyone else figure their ideas out without wanting anything.

Obviously Born got that Nobel because it was one he could have his name on alone whereas the 6 assistants and one student of his who also got Nobels would have had his name on them jointly with them - it was actually a great compliment to him.

They should have a special Nobel just for a guy who creates Nobel prize winners.

Hatice Cullingford's picture
As, possibly, kind of, one of the "beautiful people," I was wondering if this is the right moment to ask: what is entailed in "world domination?"

Becky Jungbauer's picture
We don't have t-shirts or anything yet, so I don't know if we're official. Ask Hank; he's in charge of swag.

Hank's picture
We do so have t-shirts.  The lady in the sidebar ad holding the copy of Advanced Engineering Mathematics (Kreyszig) is wearing one.   It's understandable no one notices.  It's an awesome book.

I'm all about the SWAG.   Pick what ya's want and I'll send it.

Becky Jungbauer's picture
I apologize - I meant official world domination club t-shirts, not Scientific Blogging t-shirts, which there definitely are.

Hank's picture
I have to get on that graphic designer thing.   "I actually am trying to take over the world" shirts would do well.   It's time for science to stop being humble.

rholley's picture
Physicist Stephen Hawking said, “When I hear of Schrödinger’s Cat, I reach for my gun.”

I think that the springloaded boxing glove that he used on Principal Skinner would be better.

I think that Pussy is the ideal metaphor for the predicament of a young man, when the lady he fancies won't make up her mind without prompting.  So I wrote:

THE SCHRÖDINGER CALYPSO


Summertime, and the Sun is hot
I pulling the petals off a daisy
She love me or she love me not
The uncertainty driving me crazy.

She always smile and she say hello
But on that subject her face like a mask
Maybe she herself not even know
Till I pluck the courage and ask.

Refrain

Oh Mister Schrödinger, you refuse to be beaten
Though your pussycat food always come back half eaten
How long you keep you go on the way that you are
Your life stuck down on a white dwarf star.

(At some time I would like to make two more verses, but the last line of refrain modified to a neutron star and a black hole.  Suggested predicament for the neutron star, please.)

Concerning the man himself, this is from his MacTutor Biography:
On the personal side Schrödinger had two further daughters while in Dublin, to two different Irish women. He remained in Dublin until he retired in 1956 when he returned to Vienna and wrote his last book Meine Weltansicht (1961) expressing his own metaphysical outlook.


This must have made life quite difficult for the ladies, in such a conservative Catholic country.  Anyway, we now know where Schrödinger's cat is:
OUT ON THE TILES.

Becky Jungbauer's picture
I am equally disturbed and impressed! Awesome. This is reminiscent of the discussion in the post about women's faces being masks. Hmm, a neutron star...could you play on the neutron being neutral, perhaps, or a pun on a gravitational collapse? As one of the possible endings for a star's life, you could drudge up echoes of Romeo and Juliet.

rholley's picture
Neutrality and the neutron sounds like a good idea.  Perhaps the predicament of having to choose sides at the War of American Independence would be a good setting.

Garth Sundem's picture
Robert, I don't know if I'm impressed or disturbed, or both. I think both. And Hatice, if you haven't noticed geek world domination yet, don't worry about it. It's a behind the scenes sorta thing. Like the masons and the Knights Templar. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain...

Hatice Cullingford's picture

Garth,

On 10/05/08, I wrote the following as a comment in http://www.scientificblogging.com/science_20/blog/nature_asks_barack_obama_tough_questions_science_policy


"Concern for society"

Beware Big Ethanol, too?
What's a consumer to do?
Say they're losing money
Due to Hurricane Ike(y)
I know, I know Geek Logik,
Makes it a simple rescue.



This experiment has actually been conducted by Cretan scientists. They all attended a cat-poisoner's convention in room 1 of Hilbert's hotel. Each scientist reported that nobody else bothered to turn up. Each experimenter determined that the catricide was William of Occam, the infamous razor-wielding fiend. As for the cat - despite the use of soritic clusters of quantum computers programmed using impeccable Carrollian logic - it was never determined how the cat could possibly have vanished leaving only its grin.

50/50 chances when not observes shows that the two events had hapenned but not at the same time
(a+b/2)

Fred Phillips's picture
I like the multiple Freds notion, natch. I'll run it by my wife and see how she'd take it.
Maybe Schrödinger didn't marry "two different Irish women," but two of the same Irish woman...


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