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By Don Hucks | July 30th 2009 06:41 PM | 13 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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About Don Hucks

Don Hucks writes about science - and the people who make it - from his home near Nashville, Tennessee. He holds an M.S. in Biology from the University of Texas at Arlington, where he studied molecular... Full Bio

Okay. After months and months of valiant, if somewhat curmudgeony, resistance, I gave in and joined a modest – but   steadily growing! – circle of friends in the grand, utopian shared consciousness that is Facebook.

For me, the stages of FB Awareness have drifted, one into the next, with all the retrospective inevitability of overgrown sidewalks in August, as follows:

1) Denial: as in, I didn’t really even join Facebook, I just happened to stray into its gravitational field and got sucked in, like light and spacetime.

2) Acceptance: Look for my upcoming book, soon to be a major motion picture: Doctor Strangebook, or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Third-Party Applications.

3) Repentance: aka, Kill ‘Em All and Let Bill Gates Sort ‘Em Out (or if you prefer, you can let Steve Jobs do the sorting). This is where I made a conscious decision to err on the side of paranoia and began ruthlessly blocking all applications.

I’ll have to get back to you, regarding steps 4-12 as they arrive. The first three steps, however, lead me to the precipice of the current reflection.

In accordance with the mandates of Step 3, I now eschew all Facebook quizzes, polls, pokes, prods, and provocations that meander across my homepage – no matter how tantalizing they may be.

Case in point: a recent FB poll asking whether drug testing should be mandatory for welfare recipients. This question is, of course, being debated not only on the web but in a number of state legislatures. Now, I haven’t seen the actual poll (see Step 3), but it got me wondering how/whether the poll-makers define welfare, how individual poll-takers define welfare, and how such definitions might affect one’s answer to such a question.

I’m interested in these matters less in political than in psychosociological terms, which is my rationale for opening this discussion in the setting of a scientific blog.

So how do you define welfare? Is the term pejorative in contemporary usage? If so, does it apply to the nearly 10% of the U.S. population who are currently unemployed? Do you consider Pell Grants – need-based federal grants for higher education – to be welfare? What about Stafford Loans – federally guaranteed but administered by private financial institutions, complete with capitalized interest?

How about corporate welfare? Should we mandate drug testing for every executive and middle-manager of every bank and investment house that has received federal bailout money? Every assembly line worker and salesperson employed by a car company that has imbibed at the communal trough? What if you bought a car from one of those companies? What if you paid for it with a loan from one of those banks? Should you be required to take a drug test as a recipient of trickle-down welfare?

Are the public schools a form of welfare? And if so, who should we consider the recipients? Just the students? Or also the parents, who are spared the exorbitant costs of sending their kids to private schools? Should we require drug-testing for all Americans with school-aged children?

Do you ever drive on interstate highways, publicly funded under the broad umbrella of “promot[ing] the general welfare”? County roads? City streets? Maybe we should require mandatory drug testing for all drivers. Really. Maybe we should. I have to confess, though, that I’m a lot more worried about whether the driver of the 18-wheeler that’s on my bumper at 70 miles an hour is texting while driving than about whether he smoked a joint a month ago. (Incidentally, I’m convinced that texting while driving is the most common, the most socially acceptable – and arguably the most dangerous – form of sociopathic behavior practiced in the U.S. today. I know, I know, I’m showing my age, but I can still remember the good old days when the worst we had to worry about was talking on the phone while driving – which, research shows, is not nearly so apathetically irresponsible as texting at the wheel.)

Do you consider Medicare to be welfare? Social Security? Have you ever carried a library card? Watched Sesame Street? Gone jogging in the park?

Maybe welfare should be defined as whatever money goes to somebody else. Tax cuts for the rich, anyone? Tax cuts for the poor? Tax cuts for the middle class?

I’m also curious about cost-benefit expectations associated with these debates. How likely is drug testing of welfare recipients (narrowly defined) to actually save money - given the estimated costs of administering such policies? How likely is it to decrease illegal drug use? Does it matter? If we expected it to accomplish neither of these ends, would the people who support it support it anyway?

This leads me to a broader question, often considered by economists in the context of game theory: how much is a person willing to pay to satisfy a personal sense of justice? How do we, as individuals and as a society, reconcile the frequent collision of moral/ethical and pragmatic interests?

A friend recently reminded me that some of the drugs that are the most harmful, the most dangerous, the most addictive, the most socially problematic in terms of associated criminal activity happen to be among the most metabolically fleeting - quickly leaving the user’s system, making them more difficult to detect. This same well-informed friend also reminded me of the disquietingly high false positive rates for some common drug testing techniques.


Returning to the psychology of public opinion, it seems to me that certain commonly held attitudes about welfare are infused with the misconception that welfare is altruistic, which it decidedly is not. The purpose of welfare (as popularly defined, i.e., handouts to the indigent) is to reduce social – as opposed to individual - problems associated with poverty: especially crime.

A neighbor once asked me why she should be expected to pay property taxes to support the public schools despite the fact that she had no school-aged children. The answer, of course, is obvious: you support the public schools because they decrease the probability that your home will be burglarized or that you will be stabbed in a parking lot for the twenty-dollar bill in your wallet.

The same can be said of other social investments. Maybe a minor decrease in welfare expenditures is worth a minor increase in crime. If so, how much? Politics is not particle physics: it’s more uncertain, subject to a more dubious calculus.

I don’t have the answers: I merely ask the questions. I’d love to hear your answers, further questions, rebuttals, rebukes. I’d also appreciate your insights into the psychological and sociological aspects of poll-making and poll-taking, non-scientific popular polling, and social networking sites in general - especially from those more e-socially-adept, if less curmudgeony, than me.

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Even though I do agree with some of the things you stated in this very interesting statement. I do not see how you consider driving on highways as a form of welfare or paying taxes as a form of welfare. Public schools are there for our children to get an education just as it has been for years. Pell grants and loans for someone to further their education is in no way shape or form of welfare. Welfare is discribed as : helping those that are less fortunate, and can not afford medical care for themselves or their children. Is this abused YES! you have plenty of woman that just keep popping babies out every 5 years to stay on WIC and food stamps and get free housing without ever having to work a day in her life... People you see buying expensive groceries and paying with food stamps and getting into a sports car or a brand new car, that is abusing the system..., a little don't you think? If they are not making an income that the government is able to detect more then likely it is coming from drug money or other illegal ways, for that person to be able to be driving that nice car or have their kids in all named brand clothing from GAP to Nike... to me that is abusing the system just a 'little", especially when because of all these YOUNG people on welfare when they are prefectly able to work but aren't made too... takes away from the elderly that have to go through an act of congress to get any kind of assistance only to be told because you make 890.00 a month that you make to much money to be able to get any help paying for groceries or getting your medicine. That is why you have so many older people that unfortunately do have to buy dog food or cat food to eat , even after they have worked their entire life and paid into social security and weren't a burden on society, but they're standing right there in line with all the young women that choose to keep getting pregnant to keep welfare buying all those nice groceries while the elderly take their cat / dog food home to eat. So you see yes there should be some better rules on this welfare situation. Look into the streets most of the homeless are elderly people because government does not have the money to help them, along with helping that young woman who can not keep her legs closed is living in a nice apartment or even a house that you as a tax payer is paying for, so if you ask me my tax money would rather go to help the elderly.. and buy the young girl a box of condoms.

Every service that is provided by government could be considered welfare (for the good or the "bad") , from the local level to the federal level.

Steve Davis's picture
I think you've asked all the right questions Don!

Ah, governmental creep. You forgot to mention all the PHD's on the gov't payroll. It's a very liberal view to call everyone in "welfare" to obscure the point.

I think the distinction you failed to make was the general welfare vs. the specific welfare of individuals which some (I) believe is unconstitutional. The number of programs available make it possible for individuals to have a "comfortable" life without having to contribute. For these individuals, it becomes a life style that is passed from generation to generation. Something that is both destructive to the individuals and to the gov't.

Where's my government check!

cplysy's picture
I haven't seen said FB poll either but if it's like most polls I have
seen on the web it probably does not go so far as to offer a definition.  Welfare in the US is one of those dirty words that, like pornography, carries with it a similar and very scientific "I know it when I see it" definition.

*/Begin Sarcasm* Like the anonymous commenter above pointed out we all know that welfare recipients are all drains on society living high on the hog. <insert pulled-out-of-you-know-where anecdote about said recipient here>.  So drug-testing makes sense because we also know that people with drug addictions are completely rational and they or their kids do not deserve to eat or receive any type of social assistance.  Also, why are we paying for them to have health insurance, it's not like Medicaid is the only way for many poor drug-addicted persons to afford drug treatment. */End Sarcasm*

Call me an idealist but I also hope for the day that we won't have to justify any type of social assistance program with the whole "that way their kids won't grow up and rob you."  Would it not just be a pretty cool thing if everyone had the opportunity to eat, learn, and live?  I'm sure your neighbor had no problems deducting their mortgage interest or not paying taxes on their healthcare benefits even though there are many people out there that do not own a home or have healthcare. 

To clarify I did not say that all welfare recipients are a drain on society. We need to have better control on the people who are receiving welfare and if that mean mandatory drug testing or assigning a case work to each family that is receiving welfare. For the government not to be able to help the elder is just wrong, and if that is because we are putting too much into certain things that is wrong, there should be enough to go around.

Don Hucks's picture
Anonymous wrote:
Ah, governmental creep.


For the record, I interpret Anonymous's "governmental creep" as equivalent to governmental sprawl
and not as a salutation.

Don Hucks's picture
Christopher Lysy wrote:
Call me an idealist but I also hope for the day that we won't have to
justify any type of social assistance program with the whole "that way
their kids won't grow up and rob you."  Would it not just be a pretty
cool thing if everyone had the opportunity to eat, learn, and live?


Okay, Christopher, you're an idealist. And, yes, it would be pretty cool. However, the realist in me believes that when you allow people to view actions that are, at least arguably,  in their own self-interest as if they were grand, cherubic gestures - or worse, grave personal injustices - you're letting them off the hook.

There are a lot of people the do need and are justified in receiving welfare, but with that there are just as many that should not be receiving.. don't you agree that there has to be a better plan in place that doesn' t allow those that are abusing the system to keep abusing it so that the ones that actually need the help; mainly the elderly

Well, having grown up rather poor myself I can tell you that if you lived in the projects you were on welfare ,otherwise you were just poor. So if we are speaking of an uninformed and highly reactionary opinion given by a pre-pubescent person (common on facebook) or just the average person with impulsive answers then I am sure you will get a wide range of answers from the ridiculous all the way down to the outright ludicrous. But personally I have a pretty narrow view of what I consider welfare. And no, I do not think we should drug test welfare recipients. I feel that everyone in this country (barring prisoners) has certain rights that are inalienable. Or so I read in history class somewhere. And I believe that what you choose to put in your body is one of those rights, for better or worse. Will we start telling welfare recipients that they can't be overweight? That they can't drink alcohol? Can't have tattoos because of the dangers of hepatitis?
What we do need is stricter controls and aide in finding jobs for those who are able to work. Once we get them to work their jobs can drug test them and at no expense to you or I.

cplysy's picture
My point, which I probably should have expressed more succinctly, is that the word "welfare" can elicit an emotional response based on personal perception.  Since these types of polls do not do a good job with definitions any answer to this question is going to be based on that perception, not some sort of shared definition.

To your other point Don.  I think you underestimate human compassion and individual values.  There are a huge number of potential social benefits to providing these types of government services but I see no evidence that they are the sole driving force behind those beliefs.  Not every decision is egotistical or rational.  People do support welfare programs that assist low income individuals for many reasons like maybe they believe people who lose their job should be able to have food on their table.  Some people support education because they believe education is important.  The fact that there are potential societal benefits does not eliminate the possibility of altruistic decision making.
 
I think with welfare you are confusing common political rationale with a common definition.   Your whole crime link is under-supported, criminal activity (another concept with various definitions and based on perceptions) spans across all income levels.  One could argue that white collar crime can be far more wide-reaching and vicious at a societal level.

Actually, in my opinion, the drug testing would just create another waste of taxpayer money. The taxpayers would have to pay for the people doing the testing, and the pay for the tests themselves. From what I could find, approximately 5 million people are on welfare in the US. I'm just throwing out a guess, but, I think $3 per test is a fair number. So, taxpayers would have to pay 15 million dollars to test all welfare recipients once, unless the cost was transfered to the recipients. With the exception of marijuana (which should be legal anyway, in my opinion), drugs only stay in the system an average of 3 days. This means that testing would not be accurate, and easy to fudge, because a user could simply not use 3 days prior to testing.

I have a better idea. Abolish welfare entirely. Doing so would better parallel capitalist ideology.

Gerhard Adam's picture
Abolish welfare entirely.

...and what should happen to those that need help?

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