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By Becky Jungbauer | May 12th 2009 08:04 PM | 17 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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About Becky Jungbauer

A scientist and journalist by training, I enjoy all things science, especially science-related humor. My column title is a throwback to Jane Austen's famous first line in Pride and Prejudice


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Perhaps Hank is the smartest guy in the room (so was Enron), but while he and Bloggy are taking Manhattan (as did the Muppets, although apparently not well if it needs to be taken again), Teddy and I went to Washington to fix health care.

I'm not a naive man, nor was there a vacant Senate seat, but I went to Washington anyway. My main objective: hanging out with Supreme Court Justice Stevens, a "shirt-tail" relative. Ok, I lied - my co-primary objectives were to hang out with Stevens, get some great photos for a teacher friend of mine (a la Flat Stanley) and to crush Hank's lame attempt at having the coolest blog mascot. Theodore Douglas Bear ("Teddy") and I weren't really going to fix health care. But we did run into people who want to, and I started thinking about the topic that touches all of us.


I'll see your Empire State Building, Bloggy, and raise you a
Supreme Court Justice. And my dad.
Top that, bitches.

If you follow health care policy, you're aware that the Senate is arguing about taxation of health care benefits. There was a peaceful, silent protest this morning in front of the Senate Finance Committee, ending in the arrest of five individuals not related to the original protest. The committee hearing was a roundtable discussion between senators and experts on the best way to pay for health-care reform, according to the msnbc article. Although totally unintended, my route from Union Station to the Supreme Court took me past the aftermath, so I grabbed a flyer to see what was going on.


The paddy wagon with lights flashing is just to the right of
this photo - nobody in shackles, just happy protesters.

The folks were advocating a single-payer system and chanting, "health care, not warfare!" The pamphlet, put out by the Progressive Democrats of America, and asks people to ask their representatives to support H.R. 676, a bill iniitally introduced back in 2005 to provide for comprehensive health insurance coverage for all United States residents and improved health care delivery. Michigan Rep. John Çonyers, Jr., revived the bill again this year.

The PDA pamphlet says every other industrialized country has some form of national or single payer health care system, and "that's why the U.S. ranks last among 19 similar countries in preventable deaths - even though we spend twice as much as everyone else."

This ties in well with another topic discussed by the Committee today: whether and how to tax health insurance benefits; the Wall Street Journal said divisions on the issue are beginning to emerge along state lines.
Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, suggested that "marked geographical variations" among states in terms of health costs should play a role in the debate. She noted that Maine has higher-than-average health costs and could therefore see more taxation than other areas under a capped system.

That drew quick concerns from states with low health costs. Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, questioned whether varying the tax treatment of health benefits by state would violate the Constitution and questioned if geographic variations would "mean that people in some areas of the United States ... subsidized health care for people who were located in other areas of the United States?"


Actually, Sen. Hatch, we already do that. It's called Medicare. But I digress.
The debate plays into larger questions of why some areas of the country appear to have more efficient health systems than others. Sen. Maria Cantwell, D-Wash., pointed to a Dartmouth Medical School study showing areas with lower health costs often saw better patient outcomes.

"There are systems throughout the country that are higher outcome, lower cost, and before we spend another dime raising someone's revenue somewhere else, we better implement those efficiencies," Cantwell said.



I am a firm believer in the findings of the Dartmouth Atlas, to which Sen. Cantwell referred - I really encourage you to check it out here; you can learn about the project, create your own reports, and more. Essentially, the Atlas has documented and reported on "glaring" variations in how medical resources are distributed and used in the U.S.

I ran a report, randomly selecting four variables: total Medicare reimbursement per enrollee (Parts A and B) (column 1); percent of Medicare deaths occurring within a hospital (column 2); percent of decedents spending 7 or more days in ICU/CCU during the last six months of life (column 3); and Part B Medicare reimbursements for diagnostic, laboratory, and X-ray services per enrollee (column 4). I then asked the Atlas to report data for the national average, Florida (notoriously a state that overcharges for health care), Minnesota (an excellent model for health care, regardless of my home-state bias) and Pennsylvania (current state of residence).











National  $8,020.69
 28.64  14.37 $504.37
 Florida  $8,863.71  25.42  22.62  $804.25
 Minnesota  $6,441.80  23.73  6.74  $315.22
 Pennsylvania  $8,041.68  27.99  15.65  $424.15

Based on reimbursement alone, Minnesota spends about $2K less than the rest of the nation. So, do Minnesota enrollees have poorer health? If you define health by death occurring in hospital or time spent in ICU/CCU, no - it actually does much better. And what about reimbursement for services? Minnesota again spends the least, but using deaths and/or ICU/CCU time as criteria, it comes out with the best health.

Of course I don't define health by these metrics, and I recognize that there are many mitigating factors behind health care spending. But the basic theory is there - why do some states spend a lot more, but don't seem to reap the benefits of that spending?

The committee was discussing whether and how to tax health benefits, as I mentioned above - Jonathan Gruber, professor of economics at MIT, suggested that geographic variations in a cap on the tax exclusion of health benefits could eventually disappear, once health costs across the U.S. became more consistent. "Over time, that should phase out to recognize that some of those premium differences aren't due to cost-of-living differences, they're due to inefficiencies in the way that medical care is delivered." I can buy that differences aren't due to cost of living differences, but until the variations on a cap disappear? The president of the American Benefits Council, James Klein, said that a limit on the exclusion "would operate as nothing more than a tax increase for individuals who live in higher-cost areas."

You could argue that individuals choose to live in high-cost areas, so they should live by the consequences of their choices. But what if you didn't choose to live in the Bay Area or mid-town Manhattan? A corollary is that if people do choose to live in high cost areas, and (all things being equal) can freely choose to move to low cost areas to save on tax, wouldn't a lot of people move to low cost areas? And if they did, how would the system take in enough money to support those who can't pay?

These are hypothetical situations and not likely to occur, much less make sense. But it illustrates the difficulty in crafting policy that makes sense, is evidence-based, and actually benefits the people the law is supposed to help.

Also: met a fantastic man currently serving in the Army, and he was happy to help put a face to the military, he said. Here's his photo, again with Dad. Perhaps the health care system should take a cue from him and put a face to the health care crisis - maybe the folks in Congress who have the best health care in our country will be moved.

Either way, Bloggy,  the gauntlet has been thrown. Bring it.


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jtwitten's picture
The trick isn't taking Manhattan, it's holding on to it.

Becky Jungbauer's picture
Yeah, well, I still kicked Bloggy's arse.

jtwitten's picture
"Arse?"  Spoken like an Englishman, who incidentally did take both Manhattan and DC at different times. . .of course, I don't think they actually won either of those wars.

Becky Jungbauer's picture

Didn't want to swear in case the kiddies stumble upon the blog - but just realized that one of the captions has a "swear" in it, so it was all for naught. Damn.



adaptivecomplexity's picture
Hanging out with a SC justice is pretty good, but Teddy's going to have a tough fight for the top spot without some sort of sportswear emblazoned with the scientific blogging logo.
you're aware that the Senate is arguing about taxation of health care benefits.

I would get upset, except that my health care benefits are already taxed - just like all postdocs who get NIH funded taxable income to pay the so-called employer portion of my health insurance premiums. If we taxed the rest of the country, I wouldn't feel quite as screwed.
Then again, we'd all be less screwed with a better system.


Hank's picture
The solution to health care is to make it a write-off for people like it is for companies, not find a way to tax people even more.   Health care benefits are a WW2 legacy - when wage and price controls were locked in by the government, companies had no way to recruit better employees so they came up with benefits, like health costs.   It was free for the employee and a tax write-off for the company.   But that kind of health insurance was relatively uncommon then so prices for medical treatment had not spiked to account for paperwork, malpractice and government regulation.

The solution is to make health care a tax write off for individuals the same way it is for companies.     We have medical care that is good but has some flaws in the system - making a whole new, government boondoggle bloated system is not the solution.

adaptivecomplexity's picture
I don't think my sarcasm came through - I wasn't suggesting that we should tax everybody's benefits  - unless the ultimate goal of the policy is to make me feel better about being taxed on health care myself.
I agree that I should be able to write-off my NIH-paid (but currently taxable) health insurance premiums - if I were an actual Wash. U. employee and the university was paying those expenses, they would be written off.

But a tax write-off is only part of the solution - the premiums still have to be affordable, and for people who are buying policies as individuals, without the bargaining power of an employer, decent coverage is insanely expensive.


Becky Jungbauer's picture
Teddy's going to have a tough fight for the top spot without some sort
of sportswear emblazoned with the scientific blogging logo.

I would have happily donned Teddy in a scientific blogging t-shirt, but Hank never sent one to me. What kind of two-bit operation is this, when my teddy can't get a free shirt in exchange for a little publicity?

Hank's picture
I have said, on too many occasions to count, any of ya's that want the SWAG need to send me a size and a style.    This 'Teddy' character was just introduced so I can't be responsible for his lack of sweet SB gear.   He is basically Stone Temple Pilots to Bloggy's Nirvana anyway - okay in spots but not quite as cool as the real thing.

Becky Jungbauer's picture
That hurts me. (Also the name of a 2005 episode of Robot Chicken, oddly featuring Dougalot Bear, which is eerily similar to Theodore Douglas Bear. But no relation.) Teddy is a size "bear."


adaptivecomplexity's picture
 Teddy is a size "bear." 

Good thing I wasn't drinking Coke when I read that or my primary blogging tool would have been hosed.

Becky Jungbauer's picture
Yeah, I had to stop eating/drinking around my computer because I'm too klutzy.

Kimberly Crandell's picture
Ditto - just substitute "coffee" for "Coke"

Becky, your humor poses a greater threat to my laptop than my two mischievous  boys.  That's saying something.

Becky Jungbauer's picture
And you just brightened my day. :)

Becky Jungbauer's picture
And it all depends which album you're referencing when comparing Nirvana and STP. Or songs, for that matter. Smells Like Teen Spirit is a generational anthem, but so are songs like Creep, Plush, and my personal favorite, Interstate Love Song.

Fossil Huntress's picture
Great article and great new pic... didn't recognize you without your jersey...

Becky Jungbauer's picture
Yeah, I shrunk about a foot and shaved off my beard. Fools people every time. :)

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