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By Hank Campbell | May 3rd 2009 04:40 PM | 12 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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About Hank Campbell

A wise man once said Darwin had the greatest idea anyone ever had. Others may prefer Newton or Archimedes.

Probably no one ever said a website was the greatest idea anyone ever had, but a website... Full Bio

I never get tired of talking about the problems with both deficit thinking and framing - and misguided people never get tired of doing both regardless.

The latest to fall prey to the mind-numbing, intellectually dishonest fiasco known as 'framing' is ecoAmerica, who think that the problem with getting people to buy into CO2-based global warming isn't the suspect political motivation behind the target date chosen in Kyoto and hammered through by two European nations with an economic sickness that could only be cured by handicapping its largest competitor - it's instead the term "global warming" itself.

Likewise, they didn't realize that calling ethanol 'renewable energy' did not mean it would save the environment or that calling "cap and trade" something else, like "cap and cash back" will make it less of a multi-billion dollar boondoggle in the same vein.

Framing the debate - in this case calling global warming something less obvious and focusing only on the outcome you want people to believe - will cause people to give it a fresh look, they assume, because they seem to believe people are basically stupid.    The Duke lacrosse players rape conviction in the media happened because both Duke and the prosecuting attorney believed they had to frame the debate to win in the eyes of the public.   It blew up in both their faces.   But the environment is too important to allow environmental groups, even ones started by executives with outstanding climate credentials like ecoAmerica’s boss Robert Perkowitz, whose experience consisted primarily of marketing outdoor clothing and home furnishings, to play games with the public.   If the planet is warming, call it warming.  Then show the data.    Makes sense, but instead they want to focus on talking points, straight out of the Karl Rove/Rahm Emanuel playbooks.

“Another key finding: remember to speak in TALKING POINTS aspirational language about shared American ideals, like freedom, prosperity, independence and self-sufficiency while avoiding jargon and details about policy, science, economics or technology,” they write.   Well, they didn't mean to write it.   The notes from the meeting were sent to news services by accident.

The environmental movement companies have their own political spin types, it seems, and they are writing strategy messages; it isn't about truth or science, it's about manipulation.    This is very 2006 thinking and we have seen what a disaster it has been for legitimate climate science (thought it works in politics.)   In climate science, everyone is painted with a political brush because Al Gore chose to frame the global warming debate by exaggeration and some deception - even though he only did it in a few spots in an otherwise accurate movie.    That's the problem with framing and deficit thinking; it demeans and casts doubt on the entire discussion and invalidates literally thousands of legitimate pieces of data in a complex argument like climate change.

Robert J. Brulle of Drexel University, commenting to John Broder in the New York Times, agrees it is a bad idea.    “The form is the same; the message is just flipped.   You want to sell toothpaste, we’ll sell it. You want to sell global warming, we’ll sell that. It’s the use of advertising techniques to manipulate public opinion.”

Whereas deficit thinking is just insulting to a basically literate, intelligent audience, framing is just what Brulle says it is; advertising techniques and manipulation.

ecoAmerica makes no secret of its agenda.  From their website: "ecoAmerica uses the consumer marketing practices that work so well in the business world to protect our natural heritage."  And  also to get paid, 'non-profit' being the nebulous umbrella for companies that want to pay themselves fat salaries and agree not to pay a dividend to shareholders and otherwise having no criteria for legitimacy.

This is really no different than media companies who insist people are dumb and need to be talked down to, or that they should be engaging in societal good works rather than reporting news objectively; and we have seen how well those kinds of media companies are doing today.

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I can't tell if I agree with you or not because I can't tell what you're talking about.

By conflating it with spin and advertising, you make clear that you misunderstand the concept of frames.

Hank's picture
I used to hear that argument about communism a lot - "those people aren't actually doing communism"  about every failed communist state.    The people doing it end up defining what it is.    Framing is spin.   You thinking I simply don't understand frames is deficit thinking, which is pretty ironic.

Ok, now I know you're just an idiot. I'm sure there are plenty of other idiots for whom framing is a synonym for spin but that doesn't mean it's true.

Hank's picture
Anonymous ad hominem attacks don't really concern me much.   Feel free to have all of your science 'framed' for you.   Most of us here just like to get the truth and make our own decisions but there are plenty of other science sites who will just tell you what you need to believe.

Gerhard Adam's picture
Hank, I have to agree with you on this.  Everytime I look for a definition of framing, it sounds like they're spinning the definition.




antunes's picture
Gotta chime in... there are two uses of framing.  The first is simply to set the 'frame' or context for a given topic, within which participants can then debate the issue.  So if the topic is 'intelligent design', you can have a frame of "is it science or not" (which is the default frame most scientists and teachers choose) or "what is the origin of life", which is the frame most ID advocates take.

When two sides have different frames-- as with ID, above-- any hope of a reasonable debate gets lost.  One side is arguing what science is, and the other is arguing about the necessity of God.   The debate becomes pointless bickering.

Unfortunately, people learned that, instead of agreeing on a frame then debating the point, you can get more attention and be more convincing by ensuring your frame was 'the issue'.  Since your frame is biased towards your viewpoint and all your arguments are based on your frame, you come off as the reasonable and moderate person, and the off-frame side comes off as loons.  So selling the frame became more useful than selling your arguments.

To give a micro-example: A well-crafted survey is a good example of setting up a frame, then within that frame asking neutral questions.  "Web2.0 includes blogging by amateurs and professionals.  What percentage of science blogs do you read written by professionals, and what percentage by amateurs".  A push poll is a good example of an issue or question that drags along its own frame (intentionally).  "Given that professional scientists are funded by the companies that sponsor their research, do you trust amateur science blogs or professional science blogs more when controversial issues are involved?"

Alex, the daytime astronomer (or is he?)

Hank's picture
Exactly. The semantics are one thing but what people actually do with it trumps an idealized definition.   ecoAmerica is one example of a company claiming to be interested in accurately portraying an issue but they are really just talking about marketing - and there are plenty of others.   You used science blogging and there are lots of them out there who claim to just do framing of accurate science but what they really do is evangelize their pop science agendas - and if you disagree with their frame, you are a Flat Earther, Holocaust denier, etc.

Global warming doesn't need a frame.  25% of people are never going to believe it because of their politics just like 25% unquestionably believed Al Gore even in the parts where he was obviously wrong.  The 50% between those are the sweet spot of science outreach but they will smell a rat if they feel framed; and calling cap and trade "cap and cash back" is a rat in a stinky frame.

logicman's picture
A frame is a wonderful thing.  The powerful want to define the frame, and fit the data inside that frame so as to suit their agenda.   Their purpose is to imprison the mind in an attempt to stifle human progress.  Socrates, Galileo, Mandela, or any dissenter at all, the agendist will happily frame them all.  Fortunately, history has the power to bring the picture into sharp focus, so that the frame is seen as a false signature placed on a true picture by a bigotted liar.

So you're ok with framing being a legitimate concept/tool and not the same thing as spin? That's all I actually care about. I'm apathetic about ecoAmerica, global warming, climate change, Al Gore etc. One other thing Hank, you might want to sign up for a writing course. Reading your posts, It's really hard to understand what point you're trying to make.

Sadly, I think it's worse than a 25,50,25 split. I think it's more like a 40,20,40 split. I only ever meet people who either believe mankind is the reason for global warming or people that don't believe that global warming exists. I find very few people like myself that say.....the climate is changing.....why is it changing?....we don't really know....but we'd like to find out. Man might have some influence on climate change. The solar cycles might have a greater effect. I don't think you can rule out either until the science has had a chance to be proven. While some might say that it has been (one way or another) it always seems that those "honest" brokers of science fact have an agenda and lots of financial backing. ecoAmerica only hurts the science supporting global warming. It doesn't further science it furthers dogma. Just as on the other side of the debate science is not furthered by denying climate change. That too is just more dogma. Someday, like with all valid science theory the truth will come out. It might take a long time but that's the way it goes when you have groups like ecoAmerica, Al Gore, and big oil muddying up the water.

To each their own. Different people have different communication talents. Sometimes, if you can make an effective joke, you can completely knock your opponent out. That's perfectly legitimate and ethical, if the joke highlights a true flaw in your opponent's logic. Furthermore, people only laugh when real truths are revealed., it's the ultimate acid test.

Furthermore, people are extremely sensitive to marketing, but not necessarily hostile to all marketing-style messages. Witness the fact that you often laugh more at commercials than at the show you're watching. People are so sophisticated when it comes to selecting and filtering messages coming at them that if you couch your message in a glib and frivolous tone, the recipient may be more receptive, simply because they already have knowledge of the subject, and just want the palatable gist of a reminder.

Furthermore, I think only bad marketers really discuss marketing, good marketers just do it, and enjoy it. Look at Oglivy. You want someone with the confidence of an artist. ecoAmerica looks like a bunch of time-servers who won't get the job done anyway.

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