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By Hank Campbell | February 28th 2008 11:31 AM | 8 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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About Hank Campbell

A wise man once said Darwin had the greatest idea anyone ever had. Others may prefer Newton or Archimedes.

Probably no one ever said a website was the greatest idea anyone ever had, but a website... Full Bio

Because we are basically clueless about what's happening in the blogosphere, I only learned about this flare up because a gentleman from PLoS who writes for scienceblogs mentioned us in his response. I had a small quibble with his statement
Scientificblogging.com is another blogging community. They have a different model. Almost all of it is commentary on the freshest papers. This is fine, but is unlikely to draw much of an audience. Popular magazines, like Wired, are trying to do the same.

but only because he used a prism that was not very accurate.

Using only Techorati 'authority', which measures incoming links from other bloggers, his column alone would seem to be 20X the popularity of our entire site. It's a unique metric, just like Alexa, and some people will swear by it (especially if makes them look number one) but obviously we do not write for, nor are we linked by, other bloggers. We certainly don't have 70 linking to each other, like Scienceblogs.com gets using Typepad as their engine, plus links from blogging friends elsewhere. Our audience reads, maybe comments here and there, and moves on. I would assume that the bulk of the blogosphere has heard of us but aren't readers.

The science audience certainly reads us.   We're at 1.88 million pageviews as of last night. Thats's not a small number.

Back to the issue, the critic knew he was taking an unpopular position. I don't think he did it for attention, I think he (she?) did it out of concern but didn't do a lot of research into the science blogging marketplace.  It's fair, I have also criticized Scienceblogs.com in the past, but only because they said some rather bad things about us, including trying to start a rumor we were a front for the Discovery Institute and a few other things unimportant now. Since that time, they have linked to us when they saw something they liked just as we have done for them.

I don't think there is anything wrong with the state of science blogging. A few folks at the scienceblogs site can be controversial but that's no reason to dismiss the huge number of excellent writers they have there.

So my advice to readers and independent science bloggers would be - if you don't like the science bloggers you see out there, stop letting Technorati decide who you read.

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Hank's picture
Mike White has, as always, some astute thoughts on the matter here.

iramjohn's picture
I was curious about Bora's statement. When it comes to Technorati rank, I'm not surprised - it's a matter of how the sites are structured. This one just isn't so "bloggery". I added my own take here.

I found Mike's stats interesting. I was really surprised when I saw how different compete.com and Alexa were.

Hank's picture
Right, on Alexa we will be awful because until recently they only used measurements from people who had their toolbar - and in Internet Explorer.

As you can probably attest, the more knowledgeable and/or technical the reader, the less likely they are using IE. In addition, the javascript blocker in Firefox is in their top 10 most downloaded add-ons, so any service using javascript will be limited on a science reader site like this.

Server stats tell the real tale because people can block ads and they can block javascript counters, but they still have to be here to read. In actual audience, I don't like to make bold claims without seeing someone else's numbers, but I would bet you a stogie no science 'blogging' site is ahead of us.

adaptivecomplexity's picture
I find the idea that people come in googling 'naked Harry Potter' and then stick around to read the blogging on peer-reviewed research hard to believe.

And maybe the news section here is primarily about the latest papers, but the columnists put up a hell of a lot more than that - I don't think the characterization of this site was that accurate.

Hank's picture
When this had fewer people I used to do a "news articles you shouldn't bother to read" - so even I poke fun at some of the stuff we publish. And, I will admit, sometimes it's hard to publish things I know in my gut I do not agree with, but I do it anyway.

If people want to find an article in the 8000 here they don't agree with and then insist the site is bad, okay, but we're right for putting science ahead of personal ideology. Somewhere out there scientists who do not agree with us are equally convinced they are right.

Is 'naked harry potter' coming to us??? I also used to list all the fun keywords that brought people here, like better orgasms for men and bad female and when I am sure we are done beheading people and it's safe to be funny again, I'll take it back up.

Hank's picture
I left a comment over on the scienceblogs site and the response I got was rather odd.

Coturnix - Sorry, I have not paid too much attention to scientificblogging.com lately so I may be wrong - I also do not know how the traffic compares.

Okay, that would preclude most scientists from making broad generalizations like we are 'unlikely to draw much of an audience' and he is definitely wrong but I guess we can let that go.

And then he writes

You managed to attract quite a lot of good people there. What makes some people think you are not serious is the inclusion of some GW denialists there so I have heard people question your site for reliability.

Do you see how brilliant that is? It's not his opinion, it's "I have heard ..."

I am not sure what scienceblogs writers would do if the evidence used against them were "I have heard" and "I have not paid too much attention to scienceblogs.com" but you can bet 25 of them would all be writing articles about it. Here you will just have me commenting in my lonely part of the world.

Now, he seems like a pretty good guy but I have to make a statement here - first I will make a speculation; I am going to speculate that if he were taking a survey and it said "should scientists at scienceblogs.com be required to have specific positions on science topics in order to write there?" he would say 'no' and yet he is thinking just that. Any deviation is 'unreliable,' Last summer one of their writers started a rumor we were a front for the Discovery Institute, a year ago he said we were "rotten to the core" on their internal forum and now 'global warming deniers' damage our 'reliability.'

'Reliability' is a funny word. Politicians like it. They want to know how reliable their voting demographics are - not how they think or whether or not they think, just how reliable they are. Predictable. Toe'ing the party line, it is called by some. Groupthink, by others.

I hope we are never reliable for anything except good science. We have incredible diversity in politics and tone and background. I have never seen anyone here say there is no global warming and I have read every article on this site. Yet if someone signs up tomorrow and says just that, they should publish it and be prepared to show their data. That's what science is all about. If their data is bad or their methodology is bad they should be called on the carpet and we have just the community to do it.

If someone writes bad science repeatedly, we remove them. But we let them have their say first. It doesn't hurt our reputation, it makes it a lot stronger.

But we're never going to hand someone a checklist of science(*) positions and deny them if they don't meet it. That's science of the 19th century.

On this site, we can make fun of George Bush and Al Gore. And that's how it's going to stay.


(*) This does not mean you can show up with articles talking about your warp drives or your overlord from Planet Xenu having created mankind and get it published. There may be some wiggle room in ice cores and temperature measurements that allow for debate on global warming but on physics and biology you will get banned pretty quickly with the crazy talk.

adaptivecomplexity's picture
What about a piece about anthropogenic global warming on planet Xenu? Maybe that will make people happy.

Hank's picture
That sounds like a Cash article, though rumor has it he was afraid to finish his Darwin Day piece using Angelina Jolie's fake nose as a rebuttal of evolution - people take that evolution stuff awfully seriously around these parts.

I did see a draft of an article about his grandfather, "Indiana Cash and the Supermodel of Doom" and it looks good, but it's best that gets slipped in under the radar on a day when there are a lot of serious science features.

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