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By Hank Campbell | July 15th 2009 03:44 PM | 5 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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About Hank Campbell

A wise man once said Darwin had the greatest idea anyone ever had. Others may prefer Newton or Archimedes.

Probably no one ever said a website was the greatest idea anyone ever had, but a website... Full Bio

I'm assuming most of you here have not followed the ongoing board war between ex-Scienceblogs and current Discover bloggers Chris Mooney/Sheril Kirshenbaum and current Sciencblogs tour de force PZ Myers.

To save you all that time it would take to read it, I encapsulated the first two salvos in Chris Mooney Versus P.Z. Myers And The State Of "Unscientific America" but now I'll just include my thoughts on the latest installments.  I got no dog in this fight but it's the kind of train wreck I can't look away from.

Basically, they're still at it.   In Part III Mooney and Kirshenbaum unleash a grenade that is the worst kept secret in science blogging but won't get them invited to any Seed media "Sciblings" reunion parties:
Though we have not said so until now, Myers is among the central reasons we left ScienceBlogs.

Discover is a better fit for more serious writers, it is true, but PZ is not Scienceblogs.   There are something like a hundred of them by now.   Claiming one guy makes you crazy enough to leave seems like it's more of a 'heat of the moment' statement than fact.  Plus, don't Scienceblogs people always claim to be 'The Borg' of science blogging?  Mooney didn't escape unless they let him, if that is true.  Maybe he's a double agent infiltrating Discover and he doesn't know it and they will say a secret word and he'll wreck their site by doing something crazy like going to war with ... PZ Myers.   Hmmmmm.
For too long, people in the science blogosphere have tiptoed around Myers. After all, he can send a lot of angry commenters your way. And he, and they, are unrelenting in their criticisms, their attacks, and so on. Just read our threads over the last week–it’s all there, the vast majority from people who have not read our book and do not seem inclined to do so.

We've had our gripes with him but I don't think he wields the kind of power ... or malice ... they think he does.   I've never met him but I am told he is a pretty good guy.  That doesn't mean he won't get proactively vindictive if it strikes him; he and they may also be vaguely paranoid.   He once promoted a rumor that we were some sort of conservative response site to Scienceblogs but it didn't cost us a single reader (or gain any, I was kind of hoping the RNC or National Review would show us some love but they never did)   and he wasn't alone.   On their internal forum (the place where they discuss what they really think) all of Scienceblogs was on our case in February of 2007 - for claiming to care about science community they say some pretty vicious things if they think you will cost them some money.    But we still have a million readers and so does Discover.   I assume there isn't a lot of overlap in audience.   Mooney and Kirshenbaum aren't going to lose any readers in this board war.   All publicity is good publicity so maybe they will even benefit.

Granted, small independent bloggers who hope for a 'Pharyngulanche' have to play by the rules - and Scienceblogs is the place to be if just blogging is your thing - but diplomacy is necessary in any facet of business, and for both Discover magazine and Seed magazine, blogging is serious business.  So making friends with the big guy makes sense.

I had to chuckle that they felt a need to display their atheist credentials.   Science blogging can be a weird place.

PZ is not done either.  He didn't really address anything other than to label Part III "a flaccid blubbery bit of self-pity", which was a nice turn of phrase, but for his minions, that's all that needs to be said.   Has anyone else noticed he uses the term 'scatalogical' a lot?   What do you think that means?

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Becky Jungbauer's picture
Has anyone else noticed he uses the term 'scatalogical' a lot?   What do you think that means?

I hope you're kidding.

jtwitten's picture
Sigh.  Sadly, he is not kidding.  PZ is easily responsible at least 82.7% of the time that I read the word "scatalogical."

This whole Unscientific America episode is like watching a pissing contest between two nursing home patients with catheters.

Hank's picture
We're a little more highbrow here, so we most often say 'coprological'.

I kind of enjoy nursing home patients getting into slapstick peril.  Have you seen Bubba Ho-Tep?  When the mummy is shuffling along as mummies do and they are trying to escape him but they can't move very fast because they're really old?  Classic!

any relation to Bruce, Hank?.
You kinda look like him...

Hank's picture
A gent named Greg Fish has his own take on this, albeit a more mercenary one - namely that short term publicity is not worth long-term alienation - in Blog wars: atheists, science writers and the war of words over scientific literacy.

Obviously the more militant, controversial bloggers (and blog sites) want other science bloggers to believe that - nay, they need to convince people they are nothing without them.  But it isn't true.  If you don't think it's possible to start a science site of your own and get a million readers a month, you can't be here. 

Mooney and Kirshenbaum are swimming in a small pond by being overly concerned what a few fellow bloggers think, much less getting in a war with them - and Mooney apparently isn't too happy with us either.  I mentioned in Chris Mooney Versus P.Z. Myers And The State Of "Unscientific America" that he had asked us to review it last month so I gave him Mike White's address but when Mike White wrote him last week to ask where it was the reply was to buy the book.   

Fish doesn't seem to like that they went after atheists and I read in his bio that it's because he is a Panda's Thumb writer, so it's to be expected that he would side with Myers, but I am not sure when atheists became a sacred cow - if people are wrong, they are wrong.    I wouldn't have criticized Myers for wanting to demean a Catholic wafer if I thought he would make KKK lynching jokes about black people who refuse to believe evolution or if he wrote his post with a Speedy Gonzales-tilted accent to his prose if Mexican creationists choose not to accept science.  But he doesn't do that, which means it's plain old bigotry and Mooney/Kirshenbaum were not wrong in saying it's counter-productive for the millions of scientists who don't actually want to be dragged into the cultural muck that is the fringes of science blogging.

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