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By Josh Witten | October 14th 2009 10:03 AM | 7 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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100% of this the rugbyologist's revenue is donated to Doctors Without Borders (Medecins Sans Frontieres). A click on one of my articles is a click that helps bring high quality medical care to the... Full Bio

For a long time, my minimum requirement for a Supreme Court justice is that they have the mental capacity to make senators during the judiciary committee hearings prior to confirmation look stupid. The fact that this is a minimum requirement will tell you what I think of the aptitude of the average senator. Orrin Hatch is, after all, on the judiciary committee.

So, what does it mean when you are absolutely destroyed in debate by a senator? Ask Bill Maher.

I dare you, I double dog dare you, to not develop a strong liking for Bill Frist (former senate majority leader, R-Tenn) after watching this interview with Bill Maher (FoI #18). Forget about political differences. This is a man with whom you could have a reasonable conversation. Not only does Frist demolish Maher's anti-vaccine misinformation, Frist holds Maher accountable for the consequences of his rhetoric. Maher tries to squirm away several times and Frist, figuratively, runs him down and finishes him off. Not only does Frist win all the debating points for factual accuracy, he wins the style points. Maher comes off as a desperate, callous, fumbling quack. 
Maher: You say that like I'm crazy.
Frist: Well, here you are. I think here you are. Oh my gosh.
-From 0:50

A few brief points:
1. It remains unclear whether Maher rejects the germ theory of disease, as he is apparently concerned about pieces of virus in vaccines causing the disease.
2. Maher has no idea how a vaccine actually works and has no interest in learning.
3. Pro-vaccination advocates are often portrayed as being only concerned with profits for vaccine manufacturers and to not care about individuals that might have rare side-effects. As a counter-point, observe Maher's callous, "what do I care" shrug at 3:56 when Frist tells him that his rhetoric could be putting pregnant women at risk.

The point Frist made that I wish he had made, but did not quite get there. He points out that prior to the polio vaccine, 3000 people a year died of polio, which is fewer (even as a percentage of the population) than those killed by seasonal flu now, a disease that Maher does not consider serious.

Still, what is most impressive, is that Frist does not waver or back down even when faced with Maher's bluster, interruptions, and insinuations of greed.
Well I wont back down, no I wont back down
You can stand me up at the gates of hell
But I wont back down
-"I Won't Back Down" by Tom Petty

I rarely get a chance to say this to a politician, "Well done, Senator."

*Hat tips to Steven Novella and Phil Plait.


Comments

Beat him dowm! I like Maher, but on the medicine point the guy acts just like an ass.

I wanna see Maher when he gets apendicitis and goes to the Homeopathic ER:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0

I'm not sure how being a Bill Frist apologist fits with scientific topics. Has this blog been purchased by Mr. Murdock or Fox news? But as long as you are into being an apologist, what are your observations regarding Frist's cheerleading of the Iraq war and a pro-torture agenda? or for that matter Terry Schibol and that Republican circus? Maher's quirky performance only reflects on his eccentric interests not on Bill Frist's lack of performance for regular Americans during his congressional tenure. Since the country booted a number of these idiots out in the last election, they can now somewhat support bills (like health care) that they wouldn't have touched why in office; it looks better while their trying to hawk their books. Stick to science (at least I assume you have some aptitude for that). Blight out.

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I was tempted to ignore this comment as it is quite likely the dumbest, non-anti-vaccine comment I have ever received. While I doubt that Senator Frist and I agree on very much at all, he is correct on the vaccine issue; and the vaccine debate in the public sphere is legitimate science, which is why there is no comments on his other politics. But, it points, again, to the problem of being an ideologue.

As a critical thinker, I see no problem with praising a quality idea of an individual, while criticizing or ignoring his other ideas.

Also, it was Terry Schiavo. If you want to act like you care, please bother to care, at least enough to get the name close to correct.

Based on your comment, I'm sure you will hate this post picking on Maher and this one making fun of Obama's Peace Prize.

I have seen your 'position' on doctors and vaccines - repeated many times,
you are convinced they are only good...and I think that makes you an 'idealogue'

I have seen no ooverwhelming evidence that they prevent flu - for real evidence
on your so wide range of opinions look at teh Ochrane reviews..

http://www.cochrane.org/reviews/en/ab001269.html

In particular there is no sound reasoning to support any action to
give vaccines to children under the age of two who are developing at rapid rates.

These arguments by FRIST and his cronies that you will die without vaccines
are fear mongering.

And if you will go look there is docuemrnted evidence, based on protien analysis and tags that identified the exact source, that kids got measles form vaccines, and polio from vaccines.

I think the money is talking as usual.

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You should read your links:
Influenza vaccines are effective in reducing cases of influenza,
especially when the content predicts accurately circulating types and
circulation is high. However, they are less effective in reducing cases
of influenza-like illness and have a modest impact on working days
lost.

Surprisingly, vaccines are effective against the illness against which they are targeted. This is how vaccines work. No one who understands the concepts behind vaccinations expects a vaccine against influenza to prevent flu-like symptoms in general. Vaccines target the cause, not the symptoms. You do know how vaccines work, don't you?

There is extremely sound reasoning to give vaccines to children under 2, including prevention of deadly diseases like HiB and whooping cough. There is no evidence to support not giving them.

Man, I wish the money was talking. I'm still waiting on those GSK checks.


Josh I couldn't agree with you more. I personally like Bill and watch his show every week, but some of the claims he makes are just outlandish. His stance against western medicine is completely biased and he has a hard time seeing outside his own little box because he is a pompous narcissist. His last show for the season was just ridiculous how he tried to defend his stance on this topic. He is the perfect picture of an asshole liberal that the right describes.

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