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By Robert Ingalls | June 17th 2007 07:32 AM | 12 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
Here are some figures that Al Gore doesn’t mention in his “Inconvenient Truth”:
  • BTUs needed to raise earth’s atmosphere 1 degree F: 1.18 x 10 19 BTU
  • BTUs consumed by US economy per day: 2.7 x 10 14 BTU
  • BTUs produced by the sun to raise the earth’s atmosphere 20 degrees F each day: 2.2 x 10 20 BTU
  • BTUs radiated back into space as infrared heat energy every day: All of the above.
  • CO2 already in the earth’s atmosphere = 5.9 x 10 17 lbs.
  • CO2 produced yearly in US by burning gasoline = 5.88 x 10 9 lbs. One part in 100 million already there.
  • Number of degrees Celsius needed to double the CO2 in the atmosphere, as dictated by the Nernst equation and the Gas Laws = 100 degrees.
  • Number of degrees Celsius the earth’s temperature has risen in 100 years of “excessive” burning of hydrocarbons = <1 degree C
  • Number of US economies the earth could endure in order for man to begin to affect the weather on a daily basis. = A million more.
  • Amount of CO2 deposited on the Ocean floor as CaCO3 from dead sea
    creatures= ????

You tell me we have a problem. Let’s get on with fighting terrorism without AL Gore terrorizing us with a problem that does not exist.

Comments

Cash's picture
Hi Rob ( or is it Bob?),

I think most people agree that Al Gore exaggerated to try and motivate people and we all hate being manipulated for our own good but is this science? It feels like politics.

This sort of article is probably better suited to a site like realclimate.org or scienceblogs.com. I'm not sure it will get a lot of attention on this kind of hard science site.

Anyway, welcome to Scientific Blogging! I look forward to reading more from you.

That's obfuscation. What kind of a chemist express weight as lbs and not Kgs (tons)? A grocery clerck? You probably should submit your calculations in a paper for Nature or Science and see how it goes. You might get the Nobel Prize for having liberated humanity from the imaginary threat of global warming.

I am sorry that this site allows this type of responses that are wrong both in their facts and in their non scientific approach.  The use of lbs is common among chemical engineers in all levels of education. So, please check up your facts before launching a personal (obviously not substantiated) attack which should be never welcomed on a site that wants to remain purely scientific.

Albert H.


News only in the sense of not even wrong (viz. Twain on stats).
Hank's picture
We don't edit content of members, it just has to be 'science' and no advertising - this is probably slightly more political polemic than science but a few hundred people liked it.

While we don't allow hit pieces on other members you can certainly write up a rebuttal of the facts. Part of being a 'neutral science site' is making sure all sides to science debates have a chance to talk.

It's as easy as clicking 'Write Article' in your sidebar and going from there.

I am not sure that the hypothesis that man activity has direct influence on the "global warming" phenomenon (that empirically does exist) has been scientifically proven. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Whether globab warming is proved or not is not really the issue.

Fact: Most of our energy comes from fossil fuels
Fact: Fosil fuels are not replenishable or re-usable.
Combustion is clearly a non-reversible reaction.
Therefore (and I reall wish more people would get this)

FOSSIL FUELS WILL RUN OUT AT SOMEPOINT (POSSIBLY SOON!).

Therefore, it makes sense to convserve them considering oil is involved in the production of:
Plastics for your home entertainment, clothing, packaging, tools

Medicines: The synthesis of many medicinally useful compounds starts from intermediates derived from crude oil.

THEREFORE: WALK MORE, FLY LESS, DRIVE A SMALLER, EFFICIENT CAR IF YOU HAVE TO DRIVE, CARRY MORE PEOPLE, RECYCLE - STOP BURYING YOUR HEADS IN THE SAND!!!!

It beggars belief that some people still don't get that we should be as conservative as possible with this finite energy resource. So to those thinking that America and Europe and other advancing nations can carry on as they do, think again. We need to live humbler, simpler lives which to be honest would in some ways probably be happier in terms of not being encouraged to buy a load of rubbish we don't really need then comparing who has what rubbish and how stylish it is!!

Grow up!!

Dear Mr./Dr. Richard Seacome

 


In my view the issues pertaining to this blogging site have mostly to do with the scientific facts and the related conclusions and debates. Thus, I think, in the context of this site, it is out of place to state, as you did above, that: "Whether global warming is proved or not is not really the issue”. This is the issue here.

Dear Albert H.


This is for Mr. /Dr. Robert Ingalls,
Your article "Numbers to Consider When Determining the Effects of Global Warming" is, in my opinion, the exact kind of data that we seem to ignore/miss these days.
Could you, please, write to my e-mail address? I have a small request concerning mainly an issue of clarification.
Thank you,
Albert H. zeevho@zahav.net.il

Dear all,

True, I don't have the figures to hand to back up global warming, but since there is an observable temperature increase since industrialisation and we are facing the unprecedented (apart from early volcanic/hotter times before human life existed) occasion of there being no ice at the north pole. This has never been observed before in human history. Bangladesh is more frequently flooded, round the world crop cycles are changing leaving people in impoverished countries starving. Thats a fact. In the Uk, a small detail, but yearly flowers come out earlier (when I was young dafodills were in april, now they're in february).

There is a problem, and as I stated - oil will run out, that is science: (CH2)n + O2 = n(CO2).

In the meantime if you want to fight terrorism (not sure why this qualifies to be on a scientific website), feed the poor and stop taking advantage of them through unfair trade (both europe and america do this). Take away the cause of resentment against the west and I think you would wipe out terrorism overnight.

Oil take millions of years to form, it is sad that due to our unbridled greed we will use in it up within 200 years of its first discovery.

You can not be a serious scientist if you don't take global warming seriously.

Richard

Dear Richard,
Not only you, but nobody, seems to have convincing numbers or scientific sound corroboration that the global warming (which I agree with you is happening although probably not to the extent the "green" politicians would like us to believe) is CHIEFLY MAN-MADE. As scientists, caring for the societies we are part of, we should be concerned about the fact that politics and power struggles are trying to replace science as decision supporting material. The danger of it is clear in the case of MMGW. If we are experiencing a non man influenced phenomenon but ignoring "the numbers" we, as society, surrender to vast human efforts (Kyoto style) towards de-industrialization and stopping human well being progress – for no true reason (meaning ineffectively) won't you agree THIS might be a MAN-MADE disaster of unprecedented proportions? Just take a glance at the harmful land-reuse that is taking place, in vast proportions, in the world because of the MMGW/bio-fuel scare (apparently, not much "numbers" were taken into account with that furious propaganda other than profit/loss balances obviously). You might agree that this successful green revolution is: bad for the poor, bad for the global environment, good for the "rich and famous". Imaging the same scale of human efforts, demanded by Kyoto, going, instead, to other more substantiated goals based on clear and present facts (disease cure and eradication, fighting ignorance and thus poverty, R&D for truly energy source breakthroughs and what not).
I agree with you that terrorism and subjects alike are not proper subjects for this kind of blogging site but, as the issue had been already raised by Robert and decisively countered by you, allow me just this "quick" comment without all the supporting facts (or "numbers"). As a member of a country/nation that has been a constant target for brutal terrorism since we can remember and thus, we became experts in this subject, let me assure you, that contemporary global terrorism has almost nothing to do with poverty or unfair trade (you are vastly overestimating our relative "trade" skills). As long as we hold to our values and traditions, nothing will "wipe out terrorism overnight" (as you put it) or in any other time frame.
Sincerely, Albert

Dear Albert,

I can see that in the face of conflicting evidence global warming in some perpectives, is not as well proven. All scientific theories require the accumulation of evidence to become fact and even then there is uncertainty (I'm sure you realise this). I would say that the evidence (overall)points towards global warming. It is (as you say) much more debatable whether it is man-made, but until we know for sure is it not better to take the path of precaution rather than just ignoring it? Therefore, reducing our carbon output (even if it has nothing to do with the greenhouse effect) could potentially have a beneficial effect and will definitely without doubt, conserve oil - a precious resource. I think the latter argument needs no science to back it up, it is common sense that if you use something irraplaceable, then it is gone!! For that reason alone, I would argue we all need to change our ways. It doesn't mean becoming cavemen! Mostly it should be lifestyle adjustments, drive a smaller car, cycle, take public transport (governments should invest more in this). Also, the use of more green technology means less smog and pollution - surely a good thing? True freedom is not doing what you want, it is doing what is right for society at large. Being able to choose the right thing over and above what you personally want. It is a challenge that we all need to face up to. Driving a smaller car or using it less is not that much to live up to as a start.

As for biofuels, you are right to be concerned about the use of land for these - I very much doubt they are carbon neutral. Fingers crossed, hydrogen fuel cell technology will get better.

As for terrorism, perhaps it was a little bit crass to suggest it would disappear overnight, but I do think that if the worlds poor at least were lifted up out of poverty and have enough to eat, they would at least not respond to 'bad money' from local warlords (Afghanistan) or other destabilizing groups. It is also obviously a security issue and I'm sorry for what your countries been through - you're not alone in this, Britain has had to deal with the IRA for a long time until ~ 8 years ago and more recently extremists. What we shouldn't do is give in to the urge for revenge, that would be wrong. Sorry this last bit isn't really to do with science.

Richard

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