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By Massimo Pigliucci | June 19th 2008 10:22 AM | 10 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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About Massimo Pigliucci

Massimo Pigliucci is Professor in the Departments of Ecology & Evolution and of Philosophy at Stony Brook University, NY.

His research is on the evolution of genotype-environment interactions


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Yesterday I was facilitating a philosophy discussion at the New York Society for Ethical Culture when I found myself all of a sudden defending philosophy from the accusation that it’s all made up stuff. Two of the participants raised the objection from different perspectives, both representing persistent misconceptions concerning how philosophers go about doing their business.

The first criticism is that philosophy can never settle anything because, unlike science, it does not rely on experimental evidence. Granted, philosophers don’t do experiments (other than the very inexpensive thought variety), but then again philosophy isn’t science, so it seems odd to accuse philosophers of not doing what scientists do. (Then again, check out the experimental philosophy web site!)

Philosophers have other ways of settling disputes and advancing their discipline, and these ways make use of the rules of rational discourse and logic. For instance, just like no self-respecting scientist would be caught dead conducting an experiment with a statistically flawed design (say, the lack of a control), so no professional philosopher wants to be found engaging in a logical fallacy. And logical fallacies are even more clearly defined and understood than most experimental protocols.

Moreover, philosophers are not in the business of studying the natural world, so “experiments” in the standard scientific sense would simply be inappropriate. The domain of philosophy ranges over issues concerning the nature of reality (metaphysics), of values (ethics), of knowledge (epistemology), and of art (aesthetics), to name a few. Now, what sort of experiment could possibly be illuminating questions of metaphysics? How would you settle, on scientific grounds, the question of whether there is a real physical world out there, as opposed to all of us being part of the thoughts of a cosmic being, or perhaps simply the holograms of a simulation that someone is playing as a video game? This is not to say that philosophers should ignore scientific findings (e.g., on how human brains make moral decisions), and in fact they do not. But philosophical inquiry has a different enough nature from scientific inquiry that there is no common methodological standard of progress, one cannot be said to be “better” than the other any more than soccer can be said to be better than baseball. They are just different sorts of games.

Now to the second criticism: philosophers cannot be objective or detached from the issues they debate, and besides they have to build their arguments on the basis of one assumption or another, so the exercise amounts to just telling whatever story one prefers. Again, the analysis, I think, misses the mark. There is no question that philosophers are human beings, and as such they tend to seek the same golden trio that most other people (including scientists, by the way) go after: glory, money, and sex, not necessarily in that order.

But philosophical discourse is founded on the same attitude that scientists have of valuing reciprocal criticism and opening one’s arguments to rebuttal and possible refutation. Unlike the case of religion, for instance, philosophers can’t say “I’m right because God told me so,” or “I’m right because it’s written in a book,” regardless of who the author of that book happens to be (that, incidentally, would be a logical fallacy, known as an argument from authority). No, philosophers have to say “I think I am right because...” and carefully fill the blanks with cogent logic, a logic that is mercilessly put under the microscope by their colleagues, because that’s how one gets to publish and obtain tenure (some glory, though usually little money and perfectly ordinary amounts of sex).

As for making assumptions, those can, again, be explored and justified by reason. Besides, scientists have to make a lot of assumptions before proceeding with their work as well, and ironically some of those assumptions are inherently philosophical in nature (like the empirically unverifiable idea that the world is real).

The fact that philosophers continually have to explain and justify themselves, while scientists usually don’t, is a peculiar result of the all-American anti-intellectualism that is so prominent on this side of the pond (in Europe philosophers pack bookstores for readings and discussions, and they regularly appear on or host talk shows -- can you imagine a philosopher on The View? or Regis and Kelly?). Of course, science itself sometimes does not escape anti-intellectual reactions (think of the never ending “controversy” about evolution), but at least science is generally granted the attribute of useful and therefore tolerated as a (rather expensive) academic exercise.

But a society that does not value critical thinking, the laying out of rational arguments, and the use of logic in debating its issues, is a society in decline and risking a return to obscurantism. The irony here is that the most important documents regulating American life, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, were in fact a direct product of the philosophy of the Enlightenment, and were drafted by people like Thomas Jefferson, with a very keen interest in philosophy and rational discourse. Of course, the Constitution has been under constant assault over the past few decades, in synch with the rising tide of religious fundamentalism and irrationalism. Appreciating what philosophy is about and how it works may make a significant contribution toward reversing that tide.

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Moreover, philosophers are not in the business of studying the natural world, so “experiments” in the standard scientific sense would simply be inappropriate.

What other world is there to study? Besides, the greatest philosophers such as Aristotle, Newton, and Hume *did* consider themselves in the business of studying the natural world. Science grew out of the fruitful parts of philosophy that these great thinkers created.

Now, what sort of experiment could possibly be illuminating questions of metaphysics? How would you settle, on scientific grounds, the question of whether there is a real physical world out there, as opposed to all of us being part of the thoughts of a cosmic being, or perhaps simply the holograms of a simulation that someone is playing as a video game?

None. That's exactly why, although such questions might be amusing to ponder after a few beers or be the basis of escapist movies like "The Matrix", they aren't worthy of serious study. Nobody, whether a ten year old child or a tenured philosopher, has (or can have) any genuine insight into the "is the world real?" question. It's intellectually empty.

Philosophy in order to be relevant needs to address serious questions in the real world. As far as I can tell, you have decided to address such a topic, evolutionary biology, yourself, so I fail to understand why you are defending the rubbish forms of philosophy that deal with solipsism and other metaphysical nonsense.

To Jonathan: Why do you restrict possibilities of understanding ourselves through introspection of self?

I guess "serious" study to you is more valuable than non-serious study which i prefer, as i like to study with a more open minded attitude.

Evidently, you do not know genuine insight or have little to no sense of what it means to be intellectually full. Here's where i shed a tear for you out of pity. Serious questions? Why is philosophy so serious to you?

Philosophy is so amazing. I am taking the intro course as of now in my college and I cannot put the book down. I thought it would be boring because that is what most people say but it is truly very fascinating.

Thank you, Massimo.

As an academic philosopher, I am continuously explaining the purpose and value of philosophy to undergraduate students who have never been exposed to philosophical questions or to critical thinking. Most students I encounter enter class with the prejudice that only empirical science can discover objective truth and everything else is just a matter of personal "opinion" without reason or evidence. Yet, the empirical sciences are the application of a particular method for investigating a particular aspect of reality, the physical or natural world. The empirical method is the method particularly well-suited for discovering the truth of the natural world. But there are other aspects of reality that require different methods to discover their truths. For example, mathematics is not an empirical science; it is the application of rigorous logic to abstract concepts. Is there then no truth in mathematics? Is it just "rubbish forms" of metaphysics?

The truth is that the rational human mind employs a variety of methods to different fields of inquiry. The mistake or misunderstanding so frequently found in contemporary society is the belief that one method answers all questions or is applicable to all fields. And if that method doesn't answer all questions, then the next mistake is to declare those vexing questions to be false, meaningless, nonsense, and so on. Whether these beliefs are founded on ignorance, anti-intellectualism of some sort, or a naturalistic prejudice, they are mistakes, albeit widespread mistakes.

We need to understand that human reason employs different rules and standards of proof suitable to different areas of our lives. The example that comes to mind to illustrate this point is the legal trial. Here the goal is--ideally--to determine the truth of a person's guilt or innocence by critically examining the arguments for each side. The arguments are based upon reasons of various kinds. Physical evidence and scientific conclusions are obviously very strong reasons for determining the verdict. But they are not the only kinds of reasons employing by the attorneys. Eyewitness testimony, character witnesses, and proof of motive are also important reasons to find a person either guilty or innocent. While these do not fall under the category of physical evidence, we often consider them indispensable to reaching a verdict. The rational mind considers many kinds of reasons and weighs each according to their own particular strengths when arriving at a conclusion.

If we read the philosophers without prejudices, we may avoid some of these mistakes discusses here. Aristotle wrote a very long time ago, "it is the mark of an educated man to require, in each kind of inquiry, just so much exactness as the subject admits of: it is equally absurd to accept probable reasoning from a mathematician, and to demand scientific proof from an orator" (1094b5)

I don't normally respond to people who comment days after I do, but I think it is still worth clarifying my point. I'm not attacking philosophy in general; after all science *is* part of philosophy; as I'm sure you know, scientists used to call themselves "natural philosophers".

However, I really don't see how questions like "whether there is a real physical world out there, as opposed to all of us being part of the thoughts of a cosmic being", etc. are in any way different or worthy of any more respect than empty theological questions like "How many angels can dance on a head of a pin?" or "Can God create a rock so heavy He can't lift it?" Medieval scholastics knew a lot of logic; the problem was that without empirical evidence of gods or angels, nothing they could possibly write on the topic could be at all useful.

But I know perfectly well that many modern philosophers (including Massimo, David Hull, Michael Ruse, etc.) *don't* go around worrying about whether the world is real or a god's dream and are instead dealing with answerable questions dealing with science and its methods; so I'm surprised that he'd bring up metaphysics and the "is the world real?" question -- it's exactly chestnuts like that which cause the allergic reaction against philosophy that Massimo describes scientists having.

I have actually taken an little Philosophy course in the philosophy of matrix (the movie). Even if I didn’t take it to seriously I actually learned a lot about what science is about and question about if the table in front of me is more real than a electromagnetic field. I think that al scientist should read some philosophy especially the Philosophy of science so they get’s more humble and not so hard core fans of Popper. It is actually important to understand the ground assumptions of what you are working with in natural science it is to describe the outer reality so there are relevant questions. And it would stop some meaningless arguments between scientists that only occur for there bad knowledge in philosophy. Try it yourself it actually kind of fun and it doesn’t hurt

Philosophy is not made up! It is a definitive train of thought. However, that train of thought sparked from an idea or a concept. Philosophy is humans ultimate display of logic and reasoning abilities.

Radio waves are a reality? Really?

Wow, these sites always attract nuts. Big, salty nuts.

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Jonathon began by asking of the natural world "What other world is there to study?" Which is another way of saying there is no other reality to study. Radio waves have been a reality from the beginning, yet have only recently become a reality for us. It would be foolish to assume that no further realities await discovery.
this was pretty interesting, thanks for posting

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