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By News Staff | October 17th 2007 05:41 PM | 290 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
As the weather cools and Halloween approaches, creaks in the stairs and scary stories become more believable -- but not to physics professor Costas Efthimiou.

The laws of physics and math debunk popular myths about ghosts and vampires, according to a paper published by Efthimiou and Sohang Gandhi last year.

Using Isaac Newton's Laws of Motion, Efthimiou demonstrates that ghosts would not be able to walk and pass through walls. Basic math disproves the legend of humans turning into vampires after they are bitten, Efthimiou explains, because the entire human population in 1600 would have been wiped out in less than three years.

Doomed by mathematics



"These popular myths make for a lot of Halloween fun and great movies with special effects, but they just don't hold up to the strict tests of science," Efthimiou said.

In movies such as "Ghost," starring Patrick Swayze and Demi Moore, ghosts often walk like humans, pass through walls and pick up objects. But that portrayal cannot be accurate, Efthimiou says. For ghosts to have the ability to walk like humans, they would need to put a force upon the floor, which would exert an equal and opposite force in return. But ghosts' ability to pass through walls and have humans walk right through them demonstrates that they cannot apply any force.

Movies such as "Blade," featuring Wesley Snipes, suggest that vampires feed on human blood and that once a human has been bitten, he or she turns into a vampire and begins feeding on other humans. To disprove the existence of vampires, Efthimiou relied on a basic math principle known as geometric progression.

Efthimiou supposed that the first vampire arrived Jan. 1, 1600, when the human population was 536,870,911. Assuming that the vampire fed once a month and the victim turned into a vampire, there would be two vampires and 536,870,910 humans on Feb. 1. There would be four vampires on March 1 and eight on April 1. If this trend continued, all of the original humans would become vampires within two and a half years and the vampires' food source would disappear.

Efthimiou did not take into consideration mortality rates, which would have increased the speed at which the human population would have been vanquished. And even factoring in a birth rate would not change the outcome.

"In the long run, humans cannot survive under these conditions, even if our population were doubling each month," Efthimiou said. "And doubling is clearly way beyond the human capacity of reproduction."

Efthimiou also provides a practical explanation for "voodoo zombiefication," which suggests that zombies "come about by a voodoo hex being placed by a sorcerer on one of his enemies." He reviewed the case of a Haitian adolescent who was pronounced dead by a local doctor after a week of dramatic convulsions.

After the boy was buried, he returned in an incoherent state, and Haitians pronounced that a sorcerer had raised him from the dead in the state of a zombie.

Science, however, has a less-supernatural explanation. A highly-toxic substance called tetrodotoxin is found in a breed of puffer fish native to Haitian waters. Contact with this substance generally results in a rapid death. However, in some cases, the right dose of the toxin will result in a state that mimics death and slows vital signs to a level that is unable to be measured. Eventually, the victim snaps out of the death-like coma and returns to his or her regular condition.

Scientific analysis has shown that oxygen deprivation is consistent with the boy's brain damage and his incoherent state.

"It would seem that zombiefication is nothing more than a skillful act of poisoning," Efthimiou said.

Article:Cinema Fiction vs Physics Reality: Ghosts, Vampires and Zombies, C.J. Efthimiou, S. Gandhi, Skeptical Inquirer v. 31, issue 4 (2007), p. 27

Comments

Oh how silly! This is science? To go along with this nuttiness, the movie "Ghost" is just that, a movie. A fictional creation by an author(s). The author of this arrticle doesn't cite any experience with actual supernatural phenomina. Also, based on my mainly Hollywood understanding of vampires, I thought they had to bite a person 3 times before he/she also became a vampire. I think some old black & white flick taught me that!
Hank's picture
A physics professor has to have experienced supernatural phenomena to say there aren't really zombies running around Raccoon City?

That reminds me of a famous (and controversial) quote;

"... But insofar as theology studies the nature of the divine, it will earn the right to be taken seriously when it provides the slightest, smallest smidgen of a reason for believing in the existence of the divine. Meanwhile, we should devote as much time to studying serious theology as we devote to studying serious fairies and serious unicorns. " -Richard Dawkins

I KNOW that u are wrong. I am a Vampire. I live on not blood but the energy in it. I feed on physical and emotional aura. I weigh 169 and haven't eaten in 6 weeks. I have not been sick sence I was 5 and I am 26 but not one of my features have changed sence I was 15. BE CAREFUL WHAT U ASSUME BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT MORE OF US OUT THERE AND MY COVEN IS ONE OF THE FEW NICE ONES THAT I KNOW ABOUT. E-mail me if u want to know more. I would be more than happy to share my experinces.

Hi,
Ok, so i'm not crazy..nor am i a teenage dreamer, i'm not emo or want to slit my wrists and i don't want to drink blood..
But since I recently read Twilight my mind seems to have gone slightly out of control. I have always believed in them (ghosts, witch's, vampires) if i'm being honest with myself, (I used to sleep with a cross and a rosary until the age of about 14) I seem to 'feel' when a place is haunted, not that I have ever seen anything though. I don't know exactly what i'm trying to get out of this but it's something that i now have on my mind. Has anyone ever really met a real vampire? if so, where? what happened? I don't want to hear back from goths who think they know about this stuff because they wear black and feel different for this.. I want to hear back from people like me.. who are normal, who just have that feeling like i do.

I never thought that i would actually find somene that shared my feelings, i actually started thinking hat i wsa crazy for believing in all of this. However, everytime i think of vampires a strange presures begins to arise from my chest, it makes it hard for me to breathe. Maybee im just a girl who is just a little over obsesed with twilight and that, but i have never ebleived in something with such passion as with this subject. I am kind of releived to know that there is at least one other girl who shares my feeling... guess im not alone or crazy after all!
If any one has real proof of vampire existence or anything... please write to me becasue i would be more than gratefull to know a little bit more about the subject that drives me insane...

omg...finally someone who feels the same way i do:) i totally know where you're coming from:) i felt really weird and strange after i read twilight...you're not alone:) also i've been going through some changes too since i've read that book...like really different changes:/ so yeah...you're not alone...yeahh i really want to meet a real vampire too:]

You have no idea how relieved i am..! you just have no idea how much twilight has driven me insane ! i have also changed a lot! but i think that for better... its just that vampires drive me crazy... y quold just love to meet one! they are so mysteriious ! my heart starts racing super fast every time i think of themm!
They have started to form part of my life... i would just really love to hear more stories about vampiress..!
PS: i am the annymous that wrote about twilight... the one after you wrote your first thing.. haha i know that its kind of confusing but i just changed m name because i want people to knw when it is me talikng.. tere are just so many anonymus! haha

i feel the same way about all this i beleave in vampires, ghost and alot of weird shit... if anyone wants to talk to me just add me to my msn it is

ride_or_die_hoe@hotmail.com

you all are morons. Twilight is probably the FARTHEST thing from traditional vampire mythology. Sparkling Vampires . . . seriously wtf?

Twilight sucks. It drives girls insane because "it's so romantic!"
I did always believe in ghosts and vampires and since I read twilight people call me a crazy retard for supposily "obsessed" with the book.
OK, the first book sucked, the second one was great because the girl was suffering >:D.
I don't want to read more twilitard stuff but I am forced to saddly. :(

Hank's picture
I don't want to read more twilitard stuff but I am forced to saddly. :(

I am that way about Kentucky Friend Chicken.   Everyone knows 'The Colonel' puts a secret chemical in there that makes people crave it fortnightly.

i have had those kind of fellings before but i claim to have seen a vamp when i was very little. im am not goth. vampires are beautiful creatures and they are also very scary. when i swore i saw one the was a grolw from the inside of its chest. all it said was to be quite. then i screamed. i stop screaming and it vanished. my expirence was vey scary. i claim that it came from the door beside my dresser that leads to the attic.

i have had those kind of fellings before but i claim to have seen a vamp when i was very little. im am not goth. vampires are beautiful creatures and they are also very scary. when i swore i saw one the was a grolw from the inside of its chest. all it said was to be quite. then i screamed. i stop screaming and it vanished. my expirence was vey scary. i claim that it came from the door beside my dresser that leads to the attic.

I think i might have seen something like a vampire but a ghost would fit more with my story. About 5 months ago i was in a quiet neighborhood in halifax canada, I went out to the corner store at about 11:24 pm. To get there you have to pass a small school called Cadwell Road Elementry, so i did right in the front. theres an arch to the school and a lunch area then a field. I could hear a mans voice and a little girls voice, so i looked through the arch ways to see a man holding a little girls hand and walking into the dark field (The only lights where in the arch) i kept walking thinking everthing was fine and i heard the girl scream, i ran back and looked through the archway and the girl was gone. I ran through the arch and them man turned to look at me i couldnt see his face but after he ran to the left into the court yard of the school. I followed him but he was gone, completely. I went back to field and looked around a bit and i found a pool of liquid i put my finger in it and it was thick i couldn't see what it was but i took a whiff and it had the same iron like smell blood does, i freaked and ran back through the arch way passing under the lights and looking at my hand and noticed that it was blood. I ran back home locked my doors and stood there for at least 10 minutes thinking something was following me. I didn't think to call the cops at in the state of mind i was in. Anyways i'm terrified to go to that school in the day time and to walk around at night again.

Omg that is so scary!I hav feelings to and if u guys like twilight read the house of night series they r awesome!!!! I get feelings when I read that series and then I think about witches and vamps. It's like a sensation that difuses everywhere. I'm not goth or emo just these thing r so interesting and I like talking to ppl who feel the same way

I feel the same way..maybe after reading twilight it makes ppl feel like there sun things as vampires but maybe there really are..I mean lookat how many creatures there are in this world and how many of them we hve no idea of ad the ones we think don't exist..many ppl will think we r crazy obsessed twilight fans but If scientists can co tinge looking for aliens on other planets than we can continue believing in something that is on this planet and might be right next to us.

Hi,
This is a response to you, and others
We do exist. Vampires are not like those in the movies or books, we don't drain unwilling victims of their blood. We have kind people who are called donors and they give us the blood or energy we need. Vampires are people who have energy deficiency and need to get that energy by taking it from other people. We don't die in the sun, can't fly, no super powers, can cross running water, garlic, holy water and the cross don't phase us (because we are not demons we are just different to normal people), we can see better at night than in the day, heightened senses, we do age and we aren't immortal. Twilight vampires are made up. Fake vampires are people who run around wearing plastic teeth saying they are 400 years old and can fly. Real vampires are people who simply face more problems in life that normal people don't have to deal with.

Lovestoned Xxxx

Look it up on the web man. I have never personally met a "real life vampire" but they are out there for sure. Some believe they are turned because of a viral infection that is passed on mainly through the blood somewhat like HIV and changes do occur to them upon their turning. There are bars, clubs, even raves for vampires and whole comunities of people who feel the need to drink blood. Im not talking about they get off from bitting and sucking but they feel that they grow more powerful from drinking.

hey im a witch of 3 yrs were deff not fake there are more than you could cont of underground covens as well as popular ones.

Hank's picture
What do witches dress up as for Halloween?  Sexy nurses, right?   There are really only two outfits women wear for Halloween - sexy nurse or sexy witch.  Which one (pardon the homonym) they choose speaks volumes.

heyyy i was readin ur comment and i wanna knw more abt this stuff .. vampire stuff... wts ur email?
and if ur a vampire then vampires search the net?? ^_^ how cute :P
thnxx

My E-mail is draco351988@yahoo.com and yes we do search the net. We're not afraid to be human. LOL. Ask me anything u wanna know and I'll tell u the best I can.

thats interesting...i want to know more...

can you explain more for me i am curious

could u please email me to tell me more. i am very interested by vampires.

could u please email me to tell me more. i am very interested by vampires.

could u please email me to tell me more. i am very interested by vampires.

could u please email me to tell me more. i am very interested by vampires.

you are admitting that you are a vampier?
are you sure you are not just another teenage boy messing around?
this subject is a sensitive one. especially since i BELIEVE. i just NEED proof.

reading the twilight books, and watching the film has me intrested in vampires. i believe in mythical creatures and the unknown out there. but who's to say, films, books, and much more media could be made up out of an unknown dream, which is sure to be random. is there any prof out there they that they are actually real? if there are any more answers, or prof i would like to find out. i am very intrested of all the unknown, i am all eye's and ear's..

I would love for you and anyone else to join my site-it's for those who believe in, want to believe in, or are the so called 'mythical' creatures. Here is the link:
www.believeinfantasies.webs.com
thank you so much.

I want to know more about you
please

what is your name?

Tiffany

thats nonsense but if so put a picher of how you get to the blood on the wepsite...http://www.scientificblogging.com

Using science ( a best guess assumption of the world around us, based in the faith that said assumption is correct ) and math ( a best guess system brought about to bring order to chaos, based in the faith that said order is nothing more than words to help one feel safe they are in control ) to prove or disprove mythology ( stories handed down from countless generations ) is alot like masturbation without the pay-off.

Amusing for a bit, but in the end, pointless as all three subjects are matters of opinion. ( Yes, Science, Math, Religion, and Mythology are all about the same ideal; faith, and fiction. )

YOU ARE SUCH A PRE-PUBESCENT LITTLE BITCH.

How r u a vampire they don't exist in real life trust me if they did I would rather be one than be human so stop making up fairy tales that aren't true it's pointless

dear anonymous- im curious... are you lying about this or are you real?
have you previously read the twilight book? i dont believe a real "vampire" as yourself would tell the e-world about your "covins" existence?

please reply im dying to know your life ;)
sincerely your
wondering i

HA HA usually they cant be turned by being bitten, there usually asleep and don't notice or they die.

They have to be baptized in a vampires blood or be curced.

He also failed to factor in livestock and the fact that most victims wouldnt actually die OR become vampires.

Gez American no doubt, Google or Wiki could have told him this basic info, heck even reading Dracula could have helped :P

VAMPIRES ARE REAL!!! SCENCE PROVES NOTHING!! MAYBE SCIENCE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE MAKING OF VAMPIRES!!

how do u knw u are one

U know that u r a vampire when u lose your apitite. U'll begin to eat just because u've realized that you hadn't ate all day. U won't lose weight. Some physical things u do will seem impossible even after doing them yourself. For the first few weeks you'll hear what u might think is voces in your head when in fact its your neighbors talking next door. If u wear glasses take them off and admire whats in the distance. Eventually u'll want something to snack on and it won't be anything you've ever had before. The craving will bug u until u know what it is. U will smell it from time to time. It'll be sweet-Very sweet, with a hint of a rusty smell, and u'll want it more the more u smell it. Its gonna be blood. Check yourself out in the mirror every once in a while your eyes might shift a few shades lighter or darker. This is how I found out what I was. It was devastating for a while, until I learned to deal with it.

How does one such as me become a vampire

Hank's picture
If I were you, I would get a good photographer to take some head shots.   Send those around to casting agents.   Do some local theater work.  Go to casting calls - not because you expect to get roles but because it will toughen you up for the process.    Vampires are the new Prius so everyone wants to be them so there will be a lot of competition but you just have to be willing to outwork other people.

Vampire doesn't have to be immortal
it's just reactions
in youtube there's a woman who drinks blood of her neighbours, she call them donaters and she sleep in real coffins.

Actually vampires are quite real. wether you have the information or not. I should know, i've done a lot of research on REAL sites That prove vampires are real. There's nothing to be anal about, i mean we all have our own beliefs. & plus its okay if you dont believe it. but almost every human has fangs, but vampires are much more longer. think about that. plus you are born a vampire. Define a vampire? its someone who likes humans blood. Doesnt mean that if your bitten you become a vampire. Because i KNOW a vampire. so you're all freaks. ;]

Hank's picture
So a vampire is just someone who claims to be a vampire?? That seems reasonable enough. I can claim to be a Finnish super spy, though, and it will be difficult to get people to believe me, even if I own skis.

Kimberly Crandell's picture
...I thought you always wanted to be a Chinese Jet Pilot?

Hank's picture
I was trying to mix it up a little. I hate being predictable.

Kimberly Crandell's picture
That's what I thought you would say.

Hank's picture
And I hate irony!!   :)

you two get a room already

Becky Jungbauer's picture
   Yes, I definitely see the resemblance.

  "Maybe. Just maybe my boys can protect the book. Yeah, and maybe I'm a Chinese jet pilot."

  But you're too late to register a domain name - someone already took it.

ThanK U!! yoiu cant belive all the people that think they arent real!!! my boyfriend claims he's one. he's drank my blood before... anwayz THEY ARE REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BELIVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

u no a vampire sweet ur soo lucky i am a freak but not just any freak a vampire freak i believe in vampires n wonder wut it wud be like to be one is it true bout the stuff they say in the books n movies i mean bout crosses n unlight n stuff like dat

Once again as I said, I am a real vampire and we don't have fangs, we don't turn into bats we don't have special powers or any of the BULLSHIT that you would see on the television. We do have abnormal strength, Psychic abilities (NO its not the same as having powers.), and we have incredibal speed. BUT......... all this depends on the way u were when you changed. Whether it was athletic, empathetic, sypathetic, concious of others around you and things of that sort.

Hank's picture
I am a real vampire and we don't have fangs, we don't turn into bats we don't have special powers

Gosh no, because that would be silly.   But abnormal strength, psychic abilities and incredible speed?   You're on a science site, guy.  We all have those.

Fossil Huntress's picture
Especially Captain Kirk! Vampires do attract a certain kind...

I feel you guys with the twilight shit . . .but how do you know you are a real vampire& how do we know your a real vampire . Cuz you say vamps don't have fangs then someone eles says that real vamps do?

Jen Palmares Meadows's picture
Efthimiou supposed that the first vampire arrived Jan. 1, 1600, when
the human population was 536,870,911. Assuming that the vampire fed
once a month and the victim turned into a vampire, there would be two
vampires and 536,870,910 humans on Feb. 1. There would be four vampires
on March 1 and eight on April 1. If this trend continued, all of the
original humans would become vampires within two and a half years and
the vampires' food source would disappear.


Yes! Thank you, math! Knowing this will really help me sleep better at night.  But wait. Does it count the vampires that suck animal blood?

Gerhard Adam's picture

Why worry?   If we assumed a static population, let's suppose that there are about 130 million vampires in the world.  I'm only making this assumption since it's pretty obvious that we're not all vampires, I picked a subset of humanity to illustrate this point.



If that were a reasonable number, then it would mean that for this to work out properly, then vampires would only feed once every 15 years (rates higher than this would overtake the human population so that we would all be vampires anyway). 



Even if a full third of the population were vampires, they couldn't feed more frequently than once a decade to avoid overrunning the current population. 

This actually translates into between 100 to 200 vampire attacks per day (worldwide - depending on which population number we want to accept).  Therefore it would appear that on any given day we have a very low probably of being a victim.

However, it does imply that if you get bitten it will be by someone you know.  Therefore if someone close to you is staying up later at night and is giving up vegetables, you might be well served by a garlic necklace in bed.  :)



I think people do think too scientific nowasays. But why rely on science if they even don't know how the univers got created. Well they say the big bang, but where did that came from?? There will always be things science can't explain because they aren't scientific, but they're still there. If humanity would already know everything and questions why we are here, then i think we wouldn't live in such miserale circumstances like we do now. Maybe he should and start to see that ghosts by example may be an energetic field that contains intelligence. Why not, there is dark energy in the univers too.. Then you can explain why they can go through walls. I think this silly professor just doesn't think to clearly besides his stupid mathematics that can't explain a thing.
Greets from Belgium

Gerhard Adam's picture
"Maybe he should and start to see that ghosts by example may be an
energetic field that contains intelligence. Why not, there is dark
energy in the univers too.. Then you can explain why they can go
through walls. I think this silly professor just doesn't think to
clearly besides his stupid mathematics that can't explain a thing."

....and "maybe" people really can learn magic and cast spells.... and "maybe" there are real witches .... and "maybe" they are in league with the Devil....  and so on .

This is precisely what gives rise to the irrational behaviors and people's reactions to them (such as burning witches at the stake).   While no one would argue that science can explain everything, we hardly need to abandon it simply because there may not be a satisfactory explanation regarding the origins of the universe. 
It is also important to remember that it is "stupid mathematics" that provides the comforts you enjoy today and recreations, such as posting your opinion on a blog.


I think that our world isn't anymore what it used to be. People don't get any happier from a big house and everything they could have. No, if you have to work all day to pay everything you want, you don't even have a life.. I think that the world just gets older and older and you're starting to see that nowadays, if.. atleast you open your eyes. And i didn't spoke in the form of witches or magic. Witches could have been people who were busy in their garden picking herbs.. And about the devil dear friend.. You know alot of priests in catholic churches do at exorcism? I know a few myself. And if you've seen the people they get in contact with you'll rather say, well i'll be damned.. And mathematics aren't bad, but they have to keep it around this world and don't go into the supernatural. Maths can't explain everything. And if you think it can, you've miscounted.
Greetings

Keep on saying thier fake itll come back on ya... just think about all the shit the government keeps hidden secret virusis secret cures secrets... think about it.... and yes i have medical proof... no i will not share that and know i will not tell how i came to aquire this information.

Gerhard Adam's picture
That's certainly convenient.... and since you posted this anonymously I have absolutely no reason to doubt your credibility.


if u want a real vampire here iam i have the teeth to show for it and i didnt have them made......lol not joking and everything .

Gerhard Adam's picture
The teeth are the least of it.

Physicists and math suck the fun out of everything. No pun intended.

Gerhard Adam's picture
Thank the physicists and mathematicians for your ability to post that opinion.

aha witty :)

Well would you say vampires are real? Do you know wear to find one? i am in love with vampires and i want to become one!

Gerhard Adam's picture
Sorry, but you're "in love" with a fantasy about vampires.  If there were such a thing, you'd be horrified.

Becky Jungbauer's picture
Agreed. Ever read "The Historian" by Elizabeth Kostova? It ain't all fun and games and romance.

jtwitten's picture
Would someone mind actually defining "vampire"?

Hank's picture
The only ones worth thinking about:


From that instant classic, "Dracula 2000."

jtwitten's picture
What about Dracula's brides from "Van Helsing"?

Becky Jungbauer's picture
Brad Pitt as vampire I disagree. Brad Pitt was a pretty awesome vampire as Louis de Pointe du Lac. As the kids say these days, delish.

Louis: Vampires pretending to be humans, pretending to be vampires.
Claudia: How avant-garde.


i'm a scientist and engineer, i'm also engaged in mathematical problems and deal with scientific things.I could say that science and engineer explain some things and the proved that until this time they helped solved problem and continuous solving and discovering things. However, all things have limitation there are things that science and mathematics can't explain. Some piece in this world remains unexplainable

Gerhard Adam's picture
 Not being able to explain something doesn't automatically mean we have to reject scientific principles and theories and open ourselves up to the supernatural.  The problem with all the "unexplainable" stuff is that they all lay claim to normal scientific measurable phenomenon (i.e. sounds, cold air, movement, etc).  So until someone describes something that appears to operate outside the norms of physics, I'll remain skeptical.

Clearly this physicist is a vampire, and y'all just got trolled.

I' am a vampire. Society makes it seem as though we have sharp fangs and we run wild drinking the innocents blood. I will be the first to tell you that you, wouldnt know I was, what I' am, if you were to see me on the street. I look like anyone else. I do have a good sense of fashion though :) Dont worry, we arent as mean as the media makes us seem. How I came to be? I dont know.

hulloo vampire XD i wanna knw r vampires satanists and stuff or do they believe in god or hate him? i also wanna knw like are they possessed and hve super powers?? email me :)

Gerhard Adam's picture
Then perhaps you could define what a vampire actually is?

I can explain that. Vampires are some what of an off branch of the human race ( humans with special physical needs and abilities). We don't consider ourselves human because ordinary humans like YOU don't accept our kind. I believe that u are all afraid of this reality and if it were more known to the world us vampires would probably be treated like Shit or even killed by "Humans" because of the fact that we are NOT LIKE YOU. What I can't explain is how our feeding process works. I just know that when I feed, I am energized and I feel full as if I ate a whole feast by myself. U can believe what u want but if u can't prove it then why the fuck do u bother arguing the matter. I AM offended that one can judge another without knowing a thing about them. I CAN prove to U that I am a vampire and I am as real as anyone before your eyes.

Gerhard Adam's picture
YOU'RE offended?  You make a claim that you obviously can't prove, and assert that I should just take your word for it. 

I'm hardly "afraid" of your reality, but you certainly must think that you hold a truly special play in the universe to have escaped detection for so long.  I guess having all kinds of "extra" abilities hasn't done much good. 

As for judging you?   Let me be excrutiatingly clear about this.

I THINK VAMPIRES AND THOSE THAT BELIEVE THEY ARE, IS COMPLETE AND UTTER NONSENSE. 

Prove me wrong.

I can prove you wrong. there is no such thing as vampires that have all the powers, BUT THERE ARE PRESENT DAY VAMPIRES WHO ARE HUMANS THAT HAVE A SICKNESS WHICH MAKES THEM LIKE BLOOD. I SHOULD KNOW. I HAVE A FRIEND WHO IS ONE.

What I would love to know is how the entire myth about vampirism began...

Because one thing i have learnt throughout my life is that there is a grain of truth in every lie...

Take for example the REAL disease that makes people allergic to sunlight ( It makes them erupt into blisters and eventually suffocates them to death.) maybe that had something to do with the myth getting started...

All Im saying is that there are diseases that can cause some of the "side-effects'...

But in order for me to believe that there is another Dracula, Edward, or Lestat running around Im going to have to be bitten myself to believe it. Trouble there is that even if I was no one would believe me...

Vampires are not like in the movies. They can eat real food. And only once in a blue moon do they crave blood. Some can self feed never touching annother human's blood. I myself am too afraid of infection to go drink annothers blood. It may be grose but i draw my own blood and drink. only about 5cc's ever four months is all i need. I don't know why. Call it mental illness, adiction, or vamprisim. either way it is a nightmare. Once i get the craving for it i must do something reglardless of wether i want to or not. Some love it. I hate it. How i got this way like the other vampire i have no clue. I wish i could say. I tried to resist self feeding i made it about a week before i went nuts and took too much blood that is why i fix it right away when i feel the urdge. All i know is it happens and science cannot explain it. Hell there is a lot that science cannot explain.
-Woman that wishes she weren't a vampire-

Gerhard Adam's picture
Renfield's Syndrome or clinical vampirism is what it is called.  I believe it's considered a form of schizophrenia.

Hank's picture
Renfield gets his own disease?   That's terrific.   I do a Renfield imitation when I really want to creep out my kids.

Gerhard Adam's picture
Gotta love all the fruit bats, er, I mean vampires that come out during these discussions.

Just to clarify what I said earlier...I am NOT saying that vampires don't exist...

All I'm saying is that I am and extreme atheist in the sense that I'm not going to believe in anything until I see it myself and I can touch it...

If there are real vampires...hell I would love to meet one...

Yes I know that there is ALOT that science cannot and will never be able to explain...but you would think that there would be some type of i don't know...proof if they existed??!!

Hi, I came across this blog and thought what the hay, I'll give my opinion.
I believe that Vampires do still exsist and heres my theory. People have evolved physically and mentally, Animals have evolved physically and mentally. So from a scientific prospective I believe that Vampire legends going back to the dawn of time have a ring of truth, with that being said I see no reason why a Vampire could not evolve enough to fit in with society while still maintaining a distance.

Now if your religious and I know your out there...refer to the book of genesis (spelling is bad sorry) from the very begining there was proof of vampires (not the same name but the same meaning) have read.

I have spent countless hours attempting research on my own to proof and disproof vampires, I have found more proof that the exsist and rather no proof that they do not. Some people prefer to see to believe, but I believe you do not always have to see to believe (God?)

There are many unknowns and much to be discovered here in this world. Every year some scientist uncovers a new species or a species from before our time. So I see no reason that a vampire could not exsist. There are websites that explain the symptoms for vampireism and I recomend reading through them first before you continue your research it is always best to provide your non believe structure in order to prevail with your believe..

Questions to ask yourself along the way:
1. when something old as the dawn of time is writen and rewriten how much of it is lost in translation
2. if they do exsist do you fault them for not revealing themselves?
3. can vampires adapt the same way we have?
4. how can so many legends from all around the world be wrong? many moons ago those cultures had no way of comunicating with cross cultures, as the only way to travel was by foot , before they learned how to travel in other ways.
5. ancient cave drawings depict dinosaurs, dragons, cavemen cavewoman, wild beasts we dont see today, and they have Vampires...are they wrong too?
6. If they have learned to adapt and evolve..could they be someone we know?
7. Without ever meeting one personally (and I dont mean those gothlike posers) would we truly know what their true ablilities are or weaknesses ...so how much faith should you put in hollywood films, garlic, or sunlight?

I could go on but I think you get my point or at least respect my point of view lol..well to let you know im not some crazed individual im just a single mom age 31, Ont, Canada and love a good mystery and I believe that this mystery will always be such until they feel society will make more of an effort to accept then to hold racism and hate for someone they know nothing about.

Take care fellow bloggers
Tina G.

all good opinions but there really is a scientific explanation to all things unexplainable... lets take a look back at chem class you cant see an atom and no one knows what one looks like (point one no one knows what a vampire looks like...) point two over 99.0% of an atom is considered empty space no one knows what the empty space is because it is immeasurable but stop a second even empty space is something you cant pawn it off as nothing see we live in a pathetic world of human logic which is actually only 1% of the known universe I am not dumping science because it is one of the most essential aspects of mortal life but maby both sides to this discussion should give a little more respect for the other because in fact and reality mathematics can only measure and weak points and opinions can be hurtful by no means am i one with all the answers but that is the whole point here you are just merely jumping the gun based on your own predefined beliefs you should always leave room for the unexplained and should not be so quick to judge.
PS: I am sorry about not leaving a name or email or homepage or anything i just didn't see any reason to seeing as how i am already over utilized as it is..... so dont judge me because of unidentification.

Thank you Tina. I liked your post. And the guy that mentioned it no i am not schizophrenic :P My mental helth is just fine and no i don't go around in all black and gothic stuff. I have blond hair brown eyes and at this very moment i am wearing a lime green t-shirt. Not all vampires are oober goths
-Vampire woman-

One of my best friends believe in vampires, zombies, unicorns and such.. I always laugh in his face and he gets pretty uptight.. But now that I read these blogs, I'm very iffy whether I should believe or not.. I DO believe in ghosts, spirits, orbs, or whatever you want to call them because I've seen with my own eyes..

Now for those who claim to be a vampire, how do you know? How are you "born" being one? Are you anything like "Edward Cullen" in "Twilight"? Are you really immortal? Someone please clear my thoughts.. I'm DYING to know.. "/

Thanks..

No Vampires are not immortal, we are simply born as a regular person would be. As we grow we find what we are best at in our older years wich will usually consist of one or more of a few things; strength, speed, even sypathy and empathy. with me its my speed, empathy, and sympathy. I lack the good strength I wish I had, But still just being near aperson I can tell how they feel. I can easily put a detailed picture in anyone elses mind about how I feel. Don't disbelieve what u don't know. I believe that science's theory of things in the vampire / Lycan and things of that sort of area is made up of fear that it Is real.

Just as a majority of people believe that vampires don't exist, the same goes for lycans. Why is that? Being a Lycan of sorts myself has given me a better understanding of how the animal and human mind work. I do not fear what i don't know, I simply try to understand it (believe me when i say that animals can also understand what they don't know). I guess having a vampire for a brother helps too, right Silence?

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Hank:  I too wanted to be a jet pilot.
As a small child, I was once this><close to a vampire!

Wow this is some really interesting stuff. I am an avid book reader of the unusual. I love the idea of a different reality than the one I live now. Do I believe that these mystical creatures exist? No, that would be ludicris. Think about it logically...If Lestat really exist and Luis wrote a book, where does Anne Rice come into this? If she is just a person they used...why does she have other books about total different stories. Like the "Beauty" serious that she wrote under her maiden name. Wow, there is some literature porn for you. I know why I love the idea of vampires exisiting...because they have everything I can never have. No amount of money or fame can give me; immortality and total moral freedom to kill with no regret. To live life with no stress of a 9 to 5 job. Screaming ungrateful kids and everyday...growing older to experience NOTHING! I know I could change this. I could desert my children and husband. Abandon my career and run off to other countries and do crazy things. But would it be as interesting as Steven Kings Gunslinger serious, or Anne Rice's Taltos? NOPE! The idea of these creatures being here on this boring earth we call home..sounds fantastic and I WANT SOME! But I am sane enough to know.....it is just my escape from reality. That is what movies and books are for. And legends.....well people were so ignorant that everything that was "unknown" was given some crazy story to explain. Humans MUST UNDERSTAND. They cannot seem to sleep at night "not knowing". So they rationlize anything and everything. We are some really funny creatures and our brain is incredible. If you BELIEVE enough...it will become reality (to a point). You will only be able to change what is possible. That is why these "so called" vampires are not immortal and they do not burst into flames in the sun...because the mind has a limit to what it can do. But you can certainly tell yourself you "MUST HAVE" blood and it will be. Oh I totally loved Matrix too...that one made me question reality for a while too! HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!

I age there fore i am not imortal.
-Vampire woman-

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I can't possibly imagine why anyone would want to be immortal.  How completely boring and ultimately tedious such an existence would be.

I'm also not sure, why someone that can't bring themselves to live the life they want, thinks it would be different simply because they were a "vampire"?  Seems to me that it would simply be an immortally boring life.

I guess it is the old saying "to each their own". I am sure if you talked to a group of very elderly people you would find quite a few that would love to "live forever". Think about all the knowledge you aquire in just one life time. The experiences you would have. You would never have regrets because you always have time to fulfill any desire. . And of course...this is just one of the benefits of the "vampire".

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I have to disagree.  In speaking with older people (80+ years old), it is rare to find anyone that looks forward to even more years.  There is a difference between simply being afraid of dying versus wanting to live.  Admittedly the situation would probably be different if they retained the attributes of youth, but that creates another problem. 

It is the issue of death that gives rise to motivation to accomplish something and to achieve goals.  What could be more tedious than knowing you had "all the time in the world".  

Few people take advantage of the opportunities in one lifetime, let alone as an immortal.  As for regrets .... what possible desires could you have that can't be fulfilled in a single lifetime?  The pain of watching everyone you know die while you continue on?  Seeing how fundamentally unchanging human behavior actually is?  How much knowledge can one accumulate before it becomes impossible to share it with anyone? 

Unfortunately the fantasy surrounding vampires is based on the idea that somehow the people wishing for it would suddenly become vastly different people as a result.  However, there is no reason to believe that if your life is boring now, it suddenly wouldn't be because you were immortal.  In effect, many people view this notion of vampirism with acquiring the freedom to "do whatever they want".  However, they already have that capability, so if they don't capitalize on it, why should becoming a vampire suddenly change someone?

Well I would agree totally that you would never agree. Everyone is different and you seem to be the type quite content with how things are. Never wanting more. Obviously anyone obsessed with vampires "wants more". The everyday is not enough. These type of people come in many forms. Some create havic in their lives just to make it interesting. Some refuse to conform to live in the 9-5pm life style. They tell themselves "there has got to be something else out there." And the more obsessed create the "abnormal".

What could be more tedious than knowing you had "all the time in the world". (this would eliminate a lot of stress in my life!)

Your loved ones dying might be hard on you. Sorry but this happens plenty in a normal life span.

And remember, anyone who did what vampires does would spend the rest of their lives in prison. A vampire has total moral and legal freedom. This is inviting to some...

I don't know if this is a worth while conversation. I am just trying to help you see the "charm" in it. Plus what a bunch of hotties they usually are. YUMMY!

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You miss my point.  It has nothing to do with being contented, but rather it is precisely the fact that we make our lives what we want them to be.  If you don't have the will to live the life you want, then why should that change simply by being immortal?  This concept of vampirism is simply an excuse for an individual to look for something outside of themselves to "rescue" them from their own choices.

Just for the record, I don't work 9-5 and have pretty well determined my own direction in life, as well as pursuing those things that interested me to whatever extent I wanted to.  I don't have regrets because I take responsibility for my choices and the decisions I have made. 

You indicate that a vampire has total moral and legal freedom, but that isn't true.  Even a vampire isn't above their own conscience, so their behavior is precisely what they would allow themselves to be.  This is no different from our own lives.

If you're suggesting that they are exempt from the law because they are essentially super-human then I don't find that any more charming than being infatuated with Superman or Spiderman.  It may be entertaining but it is pure fantasy.  This may sound somewhat harsh, but in reading some of the posts on this topic, I can't help but be somewhat saddened that so many people are willing to invest time and effort into a fantasy and they can't see the potential in their own lives to live the way they choose.

Hi.. I have been reading your blog ,and its all very interesting. why are you arguing with each other about if vampires
are real? Its all in what you belive..

The argument is not "real or not". It is "why do you even want to be one?"

The argument is not "real or not". It is "why do you even want to be one?"

You are right Gehard, we do need to stop regretting and LIVING! I am leaving my husband and kids now and running off to Europe!! LOL! JK! Damn RESPONSIBILITES! And yes, I had a choice but love gets ya and then all logic GOES OUT THE WINDOW!! HAHAHAHHAH!

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I realize you're not being serious, but consider this (let's pretend it's serious) ....

My impression is that your decision to run off too Europe would've been as rash as getting married if you didn't really want to.  One of the problems in society today, is that we let life direct us and then we resist it instead of being a bit more patient and thinking before we make choices.

Responsibilities have nothing to do with.  If we indulge your fantasy for a moment, what do you envision doing in Europe?  Why does having a husband and kids mean you can't go?  Is it really Europe, or just the idea of someplace different than where you are?  If you're simply craving adventure, what does that actually mean to you?  (Personally I find that most people fancy adventure until they understand what fearing for your life really means). 

As I said, I understand you're just kidding, so I'm not trying to question your motivations, but I'm just raising questions that people need to be thinking about.  While you might not be serious, there are too many people that are.

Actually plans I put to the side when I fell in love. Before I met my husband "I WAS NEVER GOING TO GET MARRIED". No man was going to tie me down and direct my life. I was trying to get a friend to just go with me and we would just travel for months and see all we could.. Europe has so much more history them America. I love the idea that you can travel from country to country like we travel state to state here. Unfortunately non of my friends were as daring and then....I fell in love.

All I could think about was being with him. Having his child. He was everything to me. It is nauseating to think about it today. How could I be so stupid. I had gone through enough divorces with my mother to know that there is no "happily ever after."

So running off to Europe is not possible. If I spend the money to do it my husband would make my life hell. About what a selfish need I have. I would miss my kids and feel like a crappy mom for leaving them. it would ruin the whole trip. I could not take them because that would ruin the whole (my fun) part. It would be trying to entertain them. I travel the states for my job maybe three times a year and the guilt of being away from my kids make me physically ill.

Now if I became a vampire I would have no choice but to let them all go. I would be dead to them, not deserting them. Then I could go and travel..see things freely. Sometimes I can understand those parents that just pack up one day and leave. It can be so darn demanding of pleasing everyone. Maybe 18 years ago when I was in love it was what I wanted. I was prepared to make the sacrifice...but what if that changes? Doesn't mean I can just change my mind and leave.

So it is not as if I didn't think before I got married. I did it the right way. I fell in love, dated for a year, engaged, married and then had children. Now I am having midlife crisis! HAHAHA~ Yes that is what it is. I am mid way now and have not done much of anything except taking care of my husband and the kids. WOOOPEE! I will be done in 15 more years then I can do as I please. I just go to chill out and be content with daydreaming...

So I read my books and day dream of the freedom to run from it all. I know I will never do it because I am not that selfish. I know that right now it is all about "what is best for the kids" and what is the easiest to help me sleep at night.

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But the point remains.  You have indicated that being a vampire would leave you with "no choice".  So how is that more freedom?  Clearly you have the choice, but you just can't bring yourself to act on it.  Please realize that I'm not encouraging your behavior or decisions one way or the other, but it seems odd that you think that by having no choice, you've gained freedom.

I suggest that it isn't about choice, but you can rationalize away any guilt you would feel, by justifying it as having had "no choice".

It is also a matter of how much you actually want to do something different versus just fantasizing that it would somehow be different.  My point is that often we aren't content in our lives because we keep thinking there's something over the horizon that is suddenly going to fulfill our desires, but the truth is that that fulfillment is in our own heads, and if we don't deal with it, then there are no external solutions that will ever make us right.

It also matters on how confident of a person you are. The "no choice" is to take the blame off yourself. No guilt because it wasn't your doing. You apparenlty make decisions very rationally rarely with emotion. I am different on the other hand. I am not 100% an emotional decision maker but I do "worry" a lot about who I would effect with my decision, rarely about my own feelings.
For example, I took a promotion at work that I didn't really want. I was happy where I was but my co-workers wanted me to take it badly so that no one (from the outside) would get the job. OF course non of them were capable of taking it. I get upset with myself sometimes because I gave in and it is more stress and travel than I wanted but at least my co-workers are happy.
I know I do it. I guess we all know our flaws but catching ourselves before we do it is the hard part. I live with so much..."what if's". KNowing perfectly well I will never get the answer to it. I cannot act to change because that might end bad. I could only do something drastic to change my life if I knew 1) it would work out great or 2.) I would never have to know if it worked or not. or 3) I had no choice.

Your a very lucky man Gerhard. I envy your confidence but we are not all like you and no matter how much you try...we will never be. We are emotional caretakers. We thrive of others. My mother calls me a co-dependent. LOL!

Gerhard Adam's picture

I'm not sure that any of this has anything to do with confidence.  My point is that when things become important enough to us, then we essentially have "no choice" and we do what we need to.  The trouble comes when people superficially engage in speculation or fantasy and then wish that some outside agency would make the choice for them.  Unfortunately if such a thing would actually happen, they would be miserable.


You may have accepted a position you didn't really want because of your co-workers, but I would also submit that you weren't vehemently opposed to it either.  Like it or not, the decision simply wasn't important enough to warrant the extra effort (no criticism intended nor implied here).


If those same friends (or co-workers) asked you to smuggle illegal drugs, or beat a child, I suspect you would've stood up to them without difficulty.  My point is that we all build internal boundaries about things we will or won't do, and often what we perceive as an inability to decide is actually based on the fact that we've already decided, but we won't recognize (or take responsibility for) our decision.


Going back to the original point about vampirism, even if we consider that such a thing was possible, it is my contention that given your feelings or sense of responsibilities, you wouldn't actually feel "absolved" of those responsibilities by being a vampire.  You would feel guilt over having allowed yourself to become one, or feel responsible for the fact that you can't control your behavior, or something else. 


As I said, none of this is intended as a criticism of you, since I clearly have no idea what your life is like or about.  Rather this is only to point out that the concept or fantasy of vampirism is like trying to live out the life of a fictional character.  It presumes a preconceived outcome, where what I'm suggesting is that it would only add a layer of complication and that our attention is better spent focused on controlling our own lives instead of adding a layer of complexity that would make things even worse.



Vampires are real, thats what I believe. I recently had met Robert Pattingson at the Juno awards and he had the same stunning glare in the movie. It was wonderful. And all those rumors about how he didnt take baths and that he stinks were lies, he had smelled really nice.

Vampires are real, thats what I believe. I had recently met Robert Pattingson at the Juno Awards and he had the same stunning glare in the movie. It was wonderful. And all those rumors about how he didnt take baths and that he stinks were lies, he smelled really nice.

ok im back... and I have a question for everyone...
hear goes...

I don't personally beleive in vampires or ghosts but I know that there are people who do so my question is...

What does it matter? If they exist chances of them impacting us are slim to none and if they don't then most of the people on the page are insane.
So why does any of it matter? No one in this room knows whether or not they exist and even if they did we wouldn't beleive so I'm done.
No proof...never met one...in my eyes they don't exist...end of story.
DONE!!!!

Gerhard Adam's picture
Personal belief has nothing to do with it.  Evidence does.  Therefore what matters is that if someone alleges that something exists, then the onus is on them to provide the evidence. 

I'm not sure why you think that such things are fundamentally unknowable.  I don't have to allow for the possibility of every conceivable idea to "know" that something doesn't exist.  Lack of evidence is sufficient.

If the case really is that personal belief has nothing to do with this, and the real thing is evidence, then why is it that there are so many different religions flourish around the world? there is no true evidence that a God or Jesus, or Budha, or Shiva, or Alah truly exist. Despite that, there are people willing to put their lives on the line (in some cases literally throw there lives away) for these "gods" which most people in their culture believe to exist. If everyone thought like you do then there would be no religion, which i think the world would be better off without. Just one less thing innocent people would not be ridiculed or be killed for. or for that matter the belief that aliens don't exist when the universe is so vast that we possibly can't be the only ones in it.
I guess what i am trying to say is that just because something has no evidence of existance, doesn't mean it doesn't. can you honestly tell me that you believe in god even though there is no proof? How about extra-terrestrial life? Both have no fool-proof evidence of existence and yet it is a possibility that one or even both exist. You can never truly know until you see it for yourself (which is the case your pleading i guess), but to keep your mind open at least to the possibility of what can be instead of what couldn't should be the main priority here. I'm not saying that vampires exist but at least be open to the possibility, and not the whole"I VANT TO SUCK YOUR BLOOD BLAH" bull but a true possibly vampiric being.

Gerhard Adam's picture
First of all, I don't believe all the religious stuff, so that doesn't do anything for your argument.  Secondly, advancing a religious argument to prove something equally implausible is even stranger.

There is one fundamental difference that pretty well messes up your whole point.  God, Jesus, or extra-terrestrials can be speculated about and some people may argue from the "probability" perspective regardless of how small that might be.  However, when someone claims to be a vampire, there's no probability.  There is supposedly a real bonafide individual that can easily be tested and confirm their claim.  Why do you suppose no such claim has ever been confirmed?

I'm not open to the possibility of vampires because anyone making the claim can easily prove it.  There's no need to be speculative about it.  If someone doesn't want to prove it, then it's highly probable that it's because they can't. 

I know some have claimed that they are afraid they would be hunted down if people really knew they were vampires.  But, that is sheer idiocy.  Why be afraid of being hunted down and then go on a public web site and proclaim your identity?   Sorry, but that makes less sense than the original claims.

 It's pretty obvious that those that claim such a fear have no clue about what real fear is.  They're simply being melodramatic (and I would be willing to bet that there is a high probability that they are below 21 years old). 

Just for the record, I'm not biased against that age, but if vampires really existed and lived in fear of detection .... believe me .... elders would've already put the hammer down on all the mouthy folks proclaiming to be vampires.


I think this really gets pointless when the person that u are trying to get to see whats real can't have an opened mind because he's afraid of how fucking far reality can go. If I know what I am and my dad, mom, my 6 brothers and my 3 sisters know what I am. Then there's absolutely no need to explain to some Jack Ass, who won't listen anyway. So if there is anyone who wants to know more, Just E-mail me draco351988@yahoo.com

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A good quote is that while one should have an open mind, it shouldn't be so open that your brain falls out.  Sorry, but it's going to take more than your attitude to demonstrate that you're anything but another fantasy prone kid with far too much time on their hands.

"If I know what I am and my dad, mom, my 6 brothers and my 3 sisters know what I am."

... and I do to, but "vampire" isn't what comes to mind.



Oh, well I guess I'm just in a fantasy prone world. Oh and for your info, I'm 26 years old. I know whats what and so do ALL the people around me. Maybe you should come to Detroit and hang with a real Vampire for a few days it just might Turn YOUR hwole world upside down. I am giving you an Offer to witness, use how u will, this offer will stand for as long as I live. Think about it, Old Man.

Hank's picture
Old doesn't mean what it used to.  Big, old guys may well have been jackbooting spindly young Gothic guys with decades more experience than you might like.

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Well that explains everything.  Since I lived the majority of my life in Detroit, I already know whose world is upside down. 


"I know whats what ..."

Never met a twenty-something that didn't.



Ha, I'll put it this way, since I don't have any proof that u lived in Detroit, I really can't believe your wishful thinking. LOL
As I said before, my offer still stands. I've given my Email so if u want the proof, take it if not.........who really gives a shit?

Could someone email me with answers please.. ?
Rwarr-bby@hotmail.co.uk

Don't u think its funny how they think that we're all "GOTHIC" ? They should really come and meat us. Grand Dad would slap some decades of experience up their asses! LOL. U know he won't take the offer, he's too afraid. Maybe he thinks we'll eat him. Hahahahahahahahahaha!

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It all comes down to the same thing .... talk is cheap.  You easily have the means of proving your claim with a simple genetic test.  But I'm sure you'll say that there's nothing different in your genes from any other human.

So the next claim will come as a psychic link (which has already been alluded to), but that won't come out to anything because there's already thousands of people making those claims (and some even have their own television shows).  So in the end ... what's left?

Simply someone that has nothing better to do than assign themselves a name (like vampire) which when asked, bears no resemblence to the creature of either fiction or mythology.  So not only have the original stories of vampires been denied, but there is now a sort of "anything I feel like calling it" attitude. 

So what is there to be fearful of?  Someone that claims to have speed?  The power of sympathy and empathy?  "Stretching the bounds of reality"?  Please ... spare me.

It's simple enough to prove your claims scientifically, but I suspect that if someone examined your medical records, you'd be as ordinarily human as the rest of us.

That's funny, I never said my genes are the same as everyone elses, but they are not. Nore are my little sister's. I would love to give you that genetic test. Just come and hang with us for a little while. I can't speak for the rest of us but I would be more than happy to give u what u need 4 your proof. Maybe its better for the world to know what else is here, or give them something else to hate.

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If you're genes aren't from your parents, then you're somehow generating "vampire genes" out of thin air?  Somehow without any actual genetic testing, you somehow know that your sister's genes are different (as well as your own). 

As I said before, you don't need me for verification.  If you truly had such knowledge or proof, you'd be on every morning show before the ink dried on your test results.  ( .... I know .... vampires aren't interested in fame or wealth and despite being more powerful they are afraid that humans will arbitrarily hate them and hunt them down to kill them).  So even though you suggest humans would hate vampires and attempt to kill them, you're idea of being low-key is to proclaim your vampirism and hang out with people that act like vampires ..... yea .... makes sense.

Please ... you're pegging the needle on my B.S. Detector

Larry Arnold's picture
Well if these folk are vampires then I am a werewolf. Of course fiction has got us werewolves all wrong, we are not all that hairy, and some of us are vegetarians :)

Hank's picture
Well, if you're a vampire than I am a Lich.  Of course, fiction got Lichs all wrong.   We're not skeletons commanding undead zombie armies, I simply escaped death by having my soul placed in the eye of a magic needle which was hidden inside an egg which was hidden inside a duck which was hidden inside a hare which was locked in an iron chest placed underneath a huge oak tree on the magical island of Buyan.

I hate being confused for somebody else.

Its actually possible to be a werewolf, The term would be Lycan, and you would be able to be a vegitarian! Short tempered, Usually rugged, harry, and with an angry personality. So there. It was pointless telling u this! LOL

Larry Arnold's picture
Don't forget the sharp canine teeth and the propensity to bay at the moon Aaoow werewolves of London...

Gerhard Adam's picture
... and you expect me to believe that there's an island called Buyan?

Hank's picture
Why not??  I wouldn't have believed you all would comment on this article!  :)


Gerhard Adam's picture
It's a compulsion .... my great-ancestor was Van Helsing (or so I believe).

ok so.....vampires r so real. anyone who thinks there not is just stupid....and no the vampires r not ppl who die in sunlight or sparkle for that matter....the r normal ppl who live off of the energy in human blood and no they dont go around biteing ppl the have ppl in their group call a donnor and those ppl give them the blood....yes i did read twilight and no vampires r nothing like that! yes i like the books but i dont like who they r missleading all of you to believe something about vampires that is totally not true! like i said vampires dont eat ppl...or have fangs(but that wud be really kool!) and no they absolutely dont turn into bats and fly around at night...so there you go!

Gerhard Adam's picture
"...r normal ppl who live off of the energy in human blood..."

So despite everything, the net result is that vampires are just normal people.  I have no idea why reading Twilight should or shouldn't make a difference beyond indulging in people's fantasies.

As for living "off the energy" .... what is that even supposed to mean?  Why is it that someone thinks they just invoke the word "energy" and it's supposed to convey some magical sort of value to whatever they want to assert?  


okay so like i read this your baseing these on freakin movies thats what they are movies vampires are really i should know i am one and if you've got a problem with that then u suck! i cant believe that u base us on movies OMG how dare you im sooo affended! shame on you person who wrote this article! and so the factz will be stragiht we can walk in the sunlight it just burnz a bit not alot! we can pass running water and for a fact we can roll in garlic it wont keep us away and we can walk into a house without being invited so yea get the factz straight people!

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Sure ... and all these things you describe can be done by any human being.  Without the movies there wouldn't even be a the modern concept of vampires for you to be talking about.

You're a vampire in the same sense that I'm Superman.  Even though I don't actually have any superpowers and didn't come from the planet Krypton, I am so offended that the movies elect to portray us super-heroes as wearing such strange costumes. 

What is interesting is that for everyone claiming to be a vampire, there isn't a single thing that anyone can claim that makes them different from ordinary humans beyond some vague .... "living off the energy" of something (which is like living off the energy of Big Macs).

However, for everyone making claims about how they "feed" on blood, I suspect that there isn't a one of them that misses a meal (if they can help it).  Rubbish .... complete utter nonsense.

oh come on...whoever thinks your a vampire needs to go to a phycologist. there is nothing in the world that science hasn't proved. if there is you better have a darn good explanation. i read twilight and yes i was astonished by how well the story is but think about who wrote it, an author who made the story up! and those crazy ppl who believe they are vampires, your a cannabalistic dumbass!! if your a vampire why are you wasting your time telling everybody that you are and what are you doing on google searching things about vampires if you are one? they may be real and they may be fake but i wish i was a gorgeous creature that can run fast and can read ppls minds but that will never happen! wake up ppl and welcome to life!

excuse me people. i kow this might sound crazy but vampires are real because i am one. we dont need blood to survive. we can survive off of human food. we can see better in the dark and we have good hearing. some of us like me know when sumthing is going to happen before it does. some of us scare the normal people off with our abilitys and we make friends with wierd people that alot of people wont be friends with. those stories you hear about us running fast and being gorgeous and reading ppls minds is fake. us vampires are just like normal people we just need other things to survive. we are peaceful people although sum of them are evil and have demons in them. those are the ones that might be immortal and gorgeous and have super abilitys but theres a small chance there are any with those powers

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You're right ... it sounds crazy.

like i said is sounds crazy but its true

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Crazy I can accept.  True is going to require a bit more evidence than mere anecdote.

i can explain a vampire its a disease called porphyria. simple haha youve all just been dooped they are real but not like the movies suggest

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My aren't you clever.  Having a disease like porphyria still doesn't make you a vampire, it simply means you have a disease.  Anyone claiming more than that (like many of the posters have), is still delusional.

hahahaaa!! omg.. this page is really interesting! i was plainly browzing the net out of boredom .. and came across this! it really has got my mind going on what vampires really are, immortality and what nots. But Gerhard, i think to some point, no punn, but i think that what you believe is based solely on black and white. And i feel i should paint some grey in you! *anyone got paint and a brush?*HAHAHA!jkjkjk!

But seriously.. I mean, I am a Clinical Psych Student, so i know the blacks and whites.. but there are greys too! its HOPE! FAITH!.. life. its Psychology! HAHAHAA! okok.. that crazy talk just proved i am a psychology student.. XD

calling just a disease with a nice name is that bad right? i think myths and legends are really cool! and if claimed vampires are what they say they are.. COOL! CAN I MEET YOU? ... okok.. i love the world, i love everything about it.. i'd love to know more about your race! :)

as some comments above mentioned that "we dont live long enough to know all that knowledge that the world nor universe hold for us".. how would you know that you are right? that what you believe is right? who's to say who is right and wrong? I am on the fence of boths sides. I just wish you would let loose a little. meet Mr. Silence and then judge from there? and yes! it wld be a great medical break through if he really is what he states he claims to be. But math and science has not explained everything. It doesnt explain there even is a universe to start with. There ought to be some creator or reaction right? "an accident" the scientist and Roman Catholic priest Georges Lemaître would say.. but by what? or whom?

Im not saying i believe them. Well, im not mainly because im also like that individual who doesnt believe it till I see it. but i wont judge to whether they are real or not; and i leave that anxiety of so much unknowns hanging. I call that insecurity. but who knows, its very subjective isnt it? it's only human to be. im like all the way to the east of the world and i know so little of the world of your end (not even daring to start on myths and legends) other than those stupid textbooks and mentally unstable individuals. I really admire your confidence about your perspective of reality. Me not knowing all the truths behind the myths and legends is put as simply as alot of individuals over on the West side not even heard of my Country, Singapore. And no. ITS NOT IN CHINA not Malaysia nor Philippines.( im using this example only because it has occurred to me not one.. but TEN TOO MANY TIMES.) That you may not know and also someone said "we need time to acknowledge other beings' existence". I find that if there is any truth to any myth or legend, its really intriguing to know and needs time to "heal" that suddenly braised wound by finding out something never known of existence.

Im sorry, i just dont understand how you manage to be that insistent on your beliefs (seemingly pushing it onto others), when every individual's perspectives are different and shaped in different ways through their own experiences. And also, i feel that the individual who made a claim using religions has good point. Just stating that even the religion is the unknown, in correlation that myths and legends are the unknown.

You may never know, i mean, When Mr Silence mentioned about his DNA being different, and you were insistent that he was lying. I'd say, "so what?". If he has the same DNA, and because of that, he cant prove he's a "vampire", doesnt mean he isnt one right? It may not be something of which we understand, like what you yourself said, so why are you putting yourself in the blacks and whites still? unless, are you yourself are trying to believe they are true, they are real?...LOL. or are you one too? jkjkjk.. NO PUNN! :) im just trying to understand you. I used to be as hard up about the blacks and whites and it just got very boring and suicidally depressing (that's how i got interested in Psychology :) ), until i found interests, love, and the mysterious greys, not ever understanding why i put myself in the two corners of the world (black and whites) than to just live all circumferences of it (greys.. the RAINBOW! :) ).

I dont believe in religions. I find it too difficult to believe in them, as there's one too many of them to even believe in something like that. And also that the world of "heaven" and "hell" is basically created by our own emotions of guilt and pleasure that we have to live through as we live our "one-and-only-chance-of-life"; that we live in total happiness or remorse and guilt that would either make our life pleasantly in heaven or a living hell. and that there is no afterlife of this, also cause i know the anatomy of life, nature and the works of the brain too well to believe in it. :X

but colors are really amazing. So is nature. In order for blacks and whites, there MUST BE GREYS for even either color to exist, dont you think? So there should be something about myths and legends being true. to me they exist, whether its evolution from humans or not, but they never are noticed only cause we are too caught up in our lives, trying to fulfill everything before our ends and we crumble back to nature or soil dust and ashes. I wldnt call these "vampires" crazy, cause ive really seen what REALLY IS mentally unstable and experienced it first hand. i'd probably just give them benefit of a doubt that they're giving themselves an identity out of all insantiy of the mundane world, and would faze out of it if they really arent vampires/suffering from porphyria. But if scientists, zoologists, astrologists and botanists are finding newer unidentified creatures, species, planets, stars and illnesses everyday, why not myths and legends such as vampires? :S

It would be cool if they are immortal! hahahah! i feel that being immortal doesnt not let them not see life lesser than you do. But if you really cherish life, would you wana live longer, live through and know everything of the world? ...bad comparision.. but like.. the Cullens from Twilight? I'd wana live life forever and make a mark for myself, a gratification which i know would take longer than my life allows. If you are on your presumed death bed or news come telling you you wont live long, and fear death, would you wana live longer? I would. Ive been there. :) So yeah, i fear death, i dont wana die, but i also wana live my life so full of pleasure without any regrets. i just wonder why we have to die with so much beauty, colors and music in the world. its frightening! especially when you dont know what is your purpose in life to stay on living, or even have any to believe in the word "purpose" as one's own faith ,that you'll know one day, starts to wither away.

Whats so bad of having vampires being real or not? i have yet to see your skepticism as you said you have, of which ive not seen. that's what im curious about. :)

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You may be a psyche student ... but in this post you just sound high ...

I completely disagree with this whole post. It is illogical and nonsensical. Human beings have not tested everyone in the world. They have not watched everyone in the world. Why would a vampire, if indeed they exist, change a human every month? They would be smarter than that, wouldn't they? I mean, if humans are so smart, why can't a vampire, who was once human, be just as smart and know that this would just kill their food source?
Point two: This scientist clearly did not add in the important details. A new child is born every day, completely throwing away this whole report.
Point three: We have not been to every corner of the world. We have not tested the blood of every human being in the world. We have not visited even the deepest depths of the ocean. Why, then, do we assume that these 'fantasy' creatures do not exist? For all we know, mermaids may exist. This blog is ridiculous.

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Fantasy may be wonderful, but it isn't science.  I don't have to see everything or experience everything directly to know what's likely.  Is there a possibility that vampires could exist? 

I suppose there could be ... but I can also be 100% confident that they are not going to be posting on a blog about their powers, and equally sure that they are much better spellers.

hahahahhah!!! if im high, then there should be a drug named after me. its easy to love to world and everything in it. and especially after what you said about me being high, i presume you dont? *shrugs* hahahaha!

thank you kind anonymous commenter re-explained my points in a very much shorter form(pt.3)LOL, thank you :). beating around the bush by habit. X)

and you've made a very interesting point too! there was this documentary about mythical creatures once a LONG TIME AGO on discovery channel. yes, DISCOVERY. ha! it was about the mermaids. the very same question. do they really exist? there was even a photo taken of one, but looked in a very horrible shape. and that mermaid did not look like those disney mermaids or those in movies. it looked mutated between some fish and some deformed human. it was painful to look at really. it was dead, a corpse. but who knows whether they're telling the truth or not right? it may very well be photo-shopped!

I also thought of the numerous children born everyday and i agree that this report is faulty. HA! the more can science nor math explain everything. in every studies, in which ever areas of expertise, there's always a flaw, a hole within that bubble. take Freud for a very perfect example! he and his weird ideas of the "oedipus complex".. *shudders* but great for his ideas using psychoanalysis!

hahaha!

"I can also be 100% confident that they are not going to be posting on a blog about their powers, and equally sure that they are much better spellers."

yeahh Gerhard, you're right! but we may never know. what if they really are and we're just not accepting it? HAHA! *shrugs* i feel that because we are humans, we are flawed. and because we are flawed, we need something concrete. so we choose either a yes or a no. and very little people in the world dances and prances around between them because its hard to. and me being one of that, i confess, its not easy, but it helps me see the world clearer as a 3rd person. :) so why not accept we accept it as it is, whether they spell badly and are telling us their super powers or not? like they said right? they are like us humans, so they are flawed too! they may actually be "vampires" caused by evolution, mutation, disease or some unknown night/day occurrence and may not. :)

Since everyone is giving their opinions in large doses, here is my own.
I say that there are many, many things that science will never quite be able to explain let alone grasp. There will always be that mysterious quality to the world and there will also always be those people who claim to be a part of the 'dark side'. As humans we thrive on danger, even the idea of it can make us excited. So to the teenage girls who granted us your opinion I say this, if vampires existed and you were blessed with their presence if only for a moment, they would frighten you to the point of shock. As humans we must remember that fantasies are not the truth and also that the truth cannot always 'set you free.' To the many people that claim to be this very controversial creature I say this, you may or may not be what you claim but do not completely bash something like mathematics or science just because you cannot get a few people to believe you. I say this because if it were not for mathematics and science we would not have the lightbulb, computer, car, or any of the things that we so often take for granted.

As humans we are free to make our own assumtions, therefore, if you believe you are a vampire then go on believing it. If you do not believe in such things by all means please continue on with your happy and normal life.

HAHAHA!! "the dark side".. hahaha! somehow i got the goosebumps of Starwars going up my spine. Are Goth and the Gothic the dark side? hmmm... i'm confused now.. can someone clarify with me this please? I'd always thought myths and legends are a separate from Goth and Gothics. The Goth being people from the 3rd and 4th centuries, and Gothic is just a fashion statement of "EMO" and the "rebellious teenagers" who seek the underground life. While myths and legends are separate beings who live an "underground"(secret, if they exist) life? HAHA! and they wouldnt be now if those people are who they claim they are. LOLOL!

hmm.. fantasies are not truth. yes. but fantasies come from somewhere right? there ought to have come across some experience that those fantasies, legends and mysteries to have been told. so shldnt there be a truth? I dont get frightened easily. not at all. I like to venture into the unknowns really, and see what the result is. and you got me wondering when you said "...humans thrive on danger..." we do?? i thought we all escape from it to survive? its the very natural animal instinct is it not? :S if you say thrill rides and extreme sports, i dont think they are dangerous. i dont believe anyone in the right mind would do anything that would be detrimental to their own life right? I mean, extreme sports and thrill rides are secured with various safety measures and equipments so we cant harm ourselves, or be put into any danger.

For mythical creatures (if they do exist), i dont believe they are dangerous. they wont scare you unless you want to be frightened. thats the very basic of the human minds. Like, you wana fail your exams, so you fail. Simple. So if one feels that bears, beasts, or vampires(if they do exist) are scary, they would be frightened even if they are excited to see some. Its the very same theory with the sharks. It has been grossly misunderstood that sharks are dangerous and would eat you by movies and such. In truth, most sharks are actually harmless, and they wont harm you unless they sense danger. and that sense is the sense of danger from us, the sudden adrenaline, panicky actions, give them a need to protect themselves. :)

Hence, some people refer these legends and myths from a different spectrum, and would not be frightened. X)

What do you guys think abt the witch hunt from 1480s? are they really witches? or did some king feel threatened with the need of women and started going on a massacre? or something else?

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The problem with all this speculation is that even the people claiming to be vampires, can't define what that is beyond some vague concepts about "extra powers" or being just like humans (which, of course, makes you human), or simply not being like Hollywood portrays.

What's the problem here?  Who told you? 

This isn't simply a matter of opinion, but if vampires were to exist as a subspecies, or separate species, then there would also need to be a consistent pattern of parents giving birth (since otherwise the genetic traits would become too varied or even lost).  There are so many things wrong and the only explanations people offer are .... "well science doesn't know everything".

I don't have to know everything to recognize nonsense when I hear it.  If there is a supposed separate species communicating on this blog, then by all means, let's hear something that really makes you different (and identifiable) as a separate species.  Otherwise it's still just fantasy.


My dear Lu, I do not believe that the women accused of witchcraft and the dark arts were indeed witches. Google it my dear friend. None were given a fair trial. The tests that the courts used were simply barbaric. For example, in one test they used a sharpened peice of wood to punture their skin. If the needle was able to puncture and not draw blood then the person in question were deemed to be a witch. Problem was they created the wood to be push back into a shaft so that the person would not be peirced at all. Therefore everyone the test was given to failed.

Isn't it so horrible how anything that humans do not understand they fear and kill? Simply barbaric.

Dear Lena,

thanks for your brief and specific info. :) It is barbaric indeed. It goes for the same thing such a slavery, racism, and now is gender identities. Because of this barbarism, it made me wonder why and what the chancellors in court back in those ages were thinking. What were they threatened of? Just because of chauvinism? Its lucky that we are living in the world of today. But if only it were the years when technologies and understanding between people were much better. But because we are human, that will never happen will it? there will bound to have some problem bounce back.. just like fashion trends of the 80s coming back to life. and the word "mundane" would just linger.. "limitations" too.. limitation to our human creative abilities. ha..
But there are those witches in villages of various parts of the worlds, but with different names to call themselves. Or more of witch doctors maybe?... still has the word "witch" in it.. *shrugs*

Do you think humans are the top of the food chain? i feel that the food chain is just circling with us in it.. we badger ourselves due to fear and threat.. while wild animals eat us too..
I thought about this because of the word "harmony". what is the purpose of living? its not exactly to get married, get the best jobs, best salary, best friends, best car, nor best experiences. After you get all that, there are questions after questions of why we are alive. Ive went through this question the more psycho facts were crammed into me. We are born and come into this world alone.. and we literally leave it alone. not knowing whether we can carry our memories with us without our physical being or not. so to live, is simply living together, no matter how mundane it gets isnt it? there is no more excitement than that. Its just the harmony of life and nature, and the food chain. Or have you lost me? =X

So is barbarism horrible? or is it just the beauty of nature? is this cycle of beings and nature and its beauty the real meaning of harmony?

hahahaha.. maybe we need a vampire's edition of oxford dictionaries to define it for us!

However, i would disagree with your point being

"there would also need to be a consistent pattern of parents giving birth (since otherwise the genetic traits would become too varied or even lost)".

Because from what i know, like diseases, physical features and such are passed down from generation to generation even only when one parent has that disease, set of physical features and such. (take for example, schizophrenia, or autism) So, this would explain the randomness of the so called vampire(if they exist) to appear. that they lye in the recessive alleles rather than the dominant allele within the DNA that is probably triggered by something, puberty or stress or smth else, no matter how many times its varied. its not like when you divide a fraction there is a definite zero, its just infinite in decimals. take albino for example. it is rare for a changed set of hormonal structure within any individual to occur. however, it is because of a certain recessive alleles within one of that individual's biological parents that causes it doesnt it? ...or have i got my facts wrong? :/

But i understand where you are coming from though. To you, if they are subspecies of humans they are still humans in general. And you do get the idea of this discussion as only talking about subspecies. But i really dont know if there is any point in arguing whether they are for real or not. So i still stand and prance on the fence, because it's either our ears wont hear, our eyes refuses to see the outer bubble of our current perceived world, or there is no existance, not even a higher possibility of existence as compared to dragons. I dont know why its that pressing to prove and get hard facts that someone is right or wrong.

what is a fantasy anyway? ...myths.. legends.. sigh. they come from different cultures right? its not like its all a made up story. The old Mexican cultures did use to sharpen their teeth that they look like vampires. There is an illness that is closely linked to the "vampires"'s features since the Mid-centuries B.C. But what is interesting is the story of the dragons that somehow countries and villages all over the world has before the age of any form of communication. So are dragons true? did they really exist? or are they just another "fantasy"? do facts and hard evidence really have to matter when it comes to cases where there is little ways and means to prove something? its just like asking, was jesus really the son of god? and the answer.. i dont know. because there has been proof recently that the plague and all were all coincidences to his hope of a plague. the red sea and split of the waves were just cause of a earthquake and volcanic eruption. Is that enough evidence? I'd say no. Only because every human wants to keep faith. keep something alive within them, so opinion counts. So why is it so pressing to get something/someone right or wrong?

Hence, opinion does count, even though you are right. Those people who claim they are vampires.. where some are obviously not.. "oh i met peter and he doesnt smell that as bad as what people say.." HUR. HUMOR ME. who said he ever smelt bad? those people, may really be in that "faze".. some are deluded.. but who knows whether there really is one right? :) no matter how much facts one gets, it still a matter of opinion to believe whether its true, or a fake on one's eyes. And for my opinion, it would be great if they do exist, and if their claim is fake, i wont be bothered cause ive just met someone new. :)

owh wait! no.. vampire's edition of encyclopedias! ;) they would have their explanation of their species for sure! haha.

and some people may be nonsense, but for others still.. you may not know right? :) no punn!

Lu,
I agree with almost everything that you said. But you were wondering why the courts felt so much fear towards these women? The answer is that someone had to be blamed for the crops not growing that year or someone had to be blamed for a lost war. That's how it always goes, isn't it? We must have someone to blame!
The women were expendable and once their name had been drawn there was no hope for them at all.

Beliefs are very important to us. That is why I do not bash any of those who have posted their opinions and beliefs on this blog. I myself believe that we are the descendants of aliens. Think about it, depictions in the bible about flying saucers and ancient run-ways and drawings in the middle of the desert that can only be seen from high in the sky, run-ways and drawings that are thousands of years old!

But no one that will read this will think the same. In fact, they will probaly think that I am mental. But I laugh when they say so because I'll just dare them to prove me wrong when i know that they never will be able to. I say this because that is what every last one of the people who claim to be vampires are thinking.

But then again maybe they are, maybe Atlantis is hidden somewhere in the depths of the oceans as Plato depicted. Would that really be so hard to believe? Everyone said that Troy was just a myth until someone found it! Maybe werewolves or lycans roam deep in the forests, maybe fairies still fly in the 'in-betweens', maybe God does watch over us, maybe sirens are still pulling lost sailors down with them, and maybe, just maybe, somewhere a vampire is walking through the darkness hidden from our sight.

My point is that anything is possible so I don't knock down anything and no, I don't have a grain of proof in anything I just said. I said it because someone in this world believes it and I myself have a few crazy beliefs and I know what it feels like to be stripped away from them. Damn, I got way too deep didn't I?

Oh, well.

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Actually the point is that you can believe anything you like, and there's nothing wrong with that until you try to make it a reality.  Everything you're describing only works as a dream or fantasy, but should they ever be "real", they would just be annoying.

Atlantis is an attraction because of it's implications in a fantasy, but the reality of such a city would be just as boring with its sewers and garbage dumps as any other city.  It is the fantasy that works, but the reality would be mundane. 


Werewolves, vampires, and fairies are only appealing because we know they don't exist.  If they did, then they would be a horror and not attractive in the least.  There is nothing wrong with enjoying your fantasies and even indulging in fantastic beliefs, but you wouldn't ever want them to be reality, since that would destroy the only value they possess in your mind.



hahahhaa... i agree that people need to blame someone.. but.. why not themselves? I mean.. we chose to do an action, which caused a consequence. So we are blamed to do that action.. whether or not that action we made was a response to another action or not. But i do understand that maybe those chancellors are just over their heads to recognize themselves or blame themselves aye? sigh. the world.....

HAHAHA! sorry, i agree with you. But that did sound abit funny. though, it wouldnt be surprising if we were aliens. If somebody says we are from mars, i wouldnt be surprised that we were the ones who left it so dry. We were the ones who left it like that and came to earth, and something happened, and we lost that history, and we restarting our history all over again. if someone believed it like you, its not surprising. If anyone found this funny, then Tom Cruise's belief system is crap too. And my do i have to confess, those art done by our ancestors are marvelous! its a great wonder how they manage to do something like that. Though i wouldnt be surprised if someone told me that we already had that technology back then. Only because in the past, in centuries B.C, our ancestors already had the technology to make alcohol, the distillation system, they even had the technology or irrigation. Thus, i wouldnt be surprised if myths and legends are actually true and living as we speak. And vampires, like you said, ARE roaming around us without us knowing. HOW EXCITING! :D HAHAAH!!

hmm..You mentioned about God right? I did pose the part of whether Jesus was the son of God or not. It was a perfect example of what i was trying to explain. But i have to contradict myself right now cause for me, i find it difficult to believe in God. Because if religion is true, and heaven and hell is really real, where is it? Isnt heaven and hell just a manifestation of our feelings when we lie (guilt=> living hell), and when we do no sin we are at peace( joy, pleasure, heaven). Ive always thought that the bible was just a guide on how to live peacefully. Just think about it, before the bible was created, there was so much chaos and cults. And, when it was created, there were few amendments to it within the periods of centuries. If the bible was really something secret, its not something that can be changed isnt it? No, punn to religious people!. its just how i feel about it. :)

But my faith is the creation of nature, our reason to be here. To be part of a cycle. even though it sounds scary and though it can make me feel useless(cause this is the reason for living), it still makes sense.

Yeah, Me Too! And its not that i knock down anything. I just dont knock down other's beliefs by trying to prove other people's beliefs wrong.

Its difficult as a psychology Major student to actually differentiate between the sane and insane when it comes to these sort of sensitive issues. Some schizophrenic people believe they are God, or they even belief they are a mythical creature who hunts and preys on people at night. But this is only one symptom out of the whole 2 page list of symptoms. Omgoodness. That reminds me of how misused the words "crazy", "schizo", "deluded" and "depressed" is used. HAHA! OH MY. o.0

there is no limitation to deep my dear. :) if you have, you've melted in the core of earth's mantle. HAHA! jkjk. lame joke. but you get what i mean right? Its like Aristotle and Plato. They reached to end to the deepness of questions, but only went round and round, but with greater understanding of the meaning of the questions they posed.

But there is a limitation to how our own belief systems like how science and math do my dear. I hope you know that too. :) Like learning any subject, im sure, there are theories and equations to try to solve something. but they are just theories but not a fact. (take Game theory by John Nash for example, its just a theory of math and science that has helped the economic world function better. and Einstein's theory of physics and particals are just theories that helped further science and technology. But it doesnt mean that they are right or something you MUST follow. It just another department of life and belief system [in which this one is black and white and easier to grasp and understand and function]). And because even if vampires say who they are, and maybe are who they are, and we are aliens, and there is actually a heaven and hell and God. we are still uncertain. Gerhard has point. If vampires are who they say they are, why are they out of the secret and spending time on computers and in even on this page to begin with? But was there even a secret to begin with? was there any rule to say that they wouldnt spend time on the computer like any other human and look for a page like this one? or are those physically ill with Porphyria are confused with the myth of vampires? but either way, whether science, maths or myth and legends, we wont know any definite answer just like trying to divide the fraction to make a zero. And that is some part of how everything in this world is flawed. not just us humans. So no matter who gives that opnion, we cant say who's right or wrong but just question.

Gerhard, what is your definition of a vampire? No one really knows what a vampire really is and how he/she lives except for him/herself right? And what extent is nonsense to you? Im really interested to know. Because if you say you "dont have to know everything to know nonsense when you hear it".. its abit contradicting when you dont know everything and saying that it is a confirmed nonsense dont you think? So what do you mean in your books of vampire species? it's nice to have have a pleasant argument with you!! :D hope you do continue with me and Lena's comments. im yet to know your views!! :)

Like Confucius said "Im in despair not because not everyone in the world knows me, but because i don't know every man in the world." i really appreciate him. X) there's too many words to describe him... until it feels like no words really can. :) ahhh!! sorry about the long post! im really chatty and long winded.. X) heheheh...

... we will keep questioning till we see it to believe it. :)

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If you people keep going on about vampires being real,
you are going to really get it in the neck from me!  :)

but they are talking about it being real, only the probability right? :)

oops! correction of my typing error. I wanted to say "but they aren't talking about vampires being real, but only talking about the probability and extent of it being real or not based on each person's opinion." right?

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Nope.  There are people clearly asserting that they ARE vampires.  No probability involved.  Even if there were a probabilistic assertion, what would it be based on?

hmmm... i didnt think there were any form of assertion. especially when it comes to probability. probability has no assertions right? probability is basically the fundamentals of a question and finding out a rough extent or answer is it not? but if there was an assertion, i believe they it was simply based on opinion and beliefs?

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True.  In probability we are simply determining what the likelihood of a particular outcome (of all possible outcomes) is.  However, if you look through some of the earlier posts, these are assertions.

My point however, is that if probability were to be used, then what would it be based on?  What is the probability of a vampire existing?  One would have to consider all the possible outcomes of human evolution and then determine what specific outcome would result in a vampire.  From here you could then calculate the probability of such a thing.  Without knowing what a vampire actually is, you couldn't even determine what being a vampire involved, let alone calculate probabilities for its occurrence.

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I don't have a definition of a vampire, since I don't have any evidence that such a thing exists (beyond the actual bat species).  In addition, it doesn't appear that anyone posting on this site has a real definition either despite the claims that they may drink blood.

Even if the latter were completely true, a dietary variation isn't enough to qualify someone as a unique species or subspecies. 

From all the posts, it is clear that people making a claim of being vampires are suggesting that Hollywood has it all wrong, but they fail to identify what it is that supposedly makes them vampires.  When it comes to being human, there are easily several dozen identifiable triats that separate us from other species, but apparently the vampire crowd can't think of anything that makes them different beyond their own claims (as I said, diet isn't enough).

There have been some vague claims of "powers" although no one seems to be able to explicitly state what those are, so once again, I have to assume that whatever "powers" are being alluded to can't be very significant if they are so difficult to identify.


Even the concept of drinking blood is a bit silly when one considers that there isn't nearly enough nutritional value in it to sustain an adult human.   So, it seems that the only reason it's even mentioned is for its "shock value", since biologically it is a ridiculous assertion (especially when you consider that a burger is more nutritious).  Sure, there have been people that posted that drinking blood made them feel full, like after a feast, but that's simply their assertion and has little to support it from the nutritional realm.


The simple reality is that many people are prepared to believe the most bizarre things (even about themselves) if it sets them apart from what they consider to be the norm.  This is precisely why people that are attempting to keep a secret (for fear of being hunted down and killed) think nothing about posting that secret all over the internet.  Perhaps these individuals are "different", but it certainly isn't in the ways they think.



I believe that we do not blame ourselves because we are afraid of what will come afterwards. Once more you have many great points. Heaven and hell, do they exist? I don't know. But i will say this muc,h christinity bugs me because since it began it is a religion that is fueled on the idea that we are in the 'end times.' But who knows? We probaly are. But back to vampires, i think that after living for an eternity that you would be quite bored and probaly would surf the internet. But that's my opinion. Armand surfed the internet in his autobiography written by Anne RIce.

Funny to think about it though.

I would just quickly like to say that sometimes it seems like God if protrayed as an imaginary friend to christians. That also bugs me.

I just noticed that we really aren't talking about just vampires anymore.

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If your point is that vampires are a response to Christianity, then we aren't talking about biology any more, but rather a "counter-creature" to God and his angels.

I personally don't believe in Heaven or Hell, because if we're all simply pawns in a universal chess game between Angels and Demons, then our lives are even more pointless than we could have ever imagined. 

As for immortality .... I can't imagine a greater curse to place (or wish) on someone.  Boredom and tedium don't even begin to describe what an individual would experience.

im the the one who claims to be a vampire. i am one. and you got some big issues if your trying to get us to belive we arnt something when we are. for all we know you could be a vampire and not know it. and if you are one and you do know it then your probally trying to get us to belive there arnt any vampires because you dont like being one. and most vampires are strong belivers in god, and heaven and hell. who do you think created us and where are we going to go when we die? where is our spirit supposed to go to when we die? just float around the world? no, go to either heaven or hell! vampires are just like everyone else except with a few differnt things that kill us and help us survive. some of us like me heal faster then usual people do. some of us have tougher skin that protects us. you have some serouse issues because we are giving you all this proof that vampires excist and your being to stubborn to belive it. WHY DONT YOU FREAKIN BELIVE US!!!!!!! there are all these people that belive me. me and my friends all have the same traits in common. the sun burns our skin and gives us migranes. we make friends with unusual people.

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Oh yeah .... sunburn and migraines ... that'll do it for me.  I don't believe you, because you don't make any sense and you offer nothing except your whining about being different.  What is tougher skin supposed to mean?  What does healing faster mean?  What the hell does making friends with unusual people have to do with anything?

News flash ::::   Proof involves more than your just saying it.

You are living in a fantasy, which doesn't bother me in the least.  I'm not trying to get you to believe anything.  I'm simply stating that there are no vampires and you've offered nothing to convince me otherwise.

I just noticed that this can become a very heated subject! :P

there is no way for you to belive it because your to stubborn to belive anything. there are vampires, but your to stubborn to belive it. you type of people make me ...........................nevermind.

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What part of "belief is not evidence" do you not understand?  What I believe or disbelieve is of no consequence.  Without evidence, you're expecting me to modify my worldview on YOUR say-so?  You don't even sign your posts with a name, and that is supposed to impart credibility?


"...you type of people make me ..."

I would've loved to see you end that phrase with the word "think", but I don't think that's particularly likely.



hahahaha... yes lena, this is a very heated subject. well... for the vampires vs Gerhard. HAHAHAHAA!!

i dont have alot of time.. but i'll just put this point out.. :)

Dear Vampire,
why is it a need to get him to believe you? I'm someone who doesnt dream alot. and whenever i dream, they all somehow come true. This is not what i like when it comes to certain events. But does that make me special? I dont know. Maybe i'm just more predictable to my own actions, and can predict other people's actions? And what makes you a vampire? Maybe you just have an illness that somehow enhances various psychological and physical abilities or maybe you just are. If you believe that you are yourself, than very well do, there really is no point arguing because both you and Gerhard have very different perspectives of argument. And answering your question of where our spirit goes? I'm not a believer in spirits. Its very sciency. We have emotions cause of hormones and neurotransmitters in our body. We have a life because of our brain. and that's all there is to a "spirit" to me. If you're talking about soul, then I'd just say its a manifestation of living beings to guide the "good" side of them... you know that saying.. "your soul is alive inside" and "did your soul die"? Hope you get what i mean. Ive not exactly gotten any sleep for the past few days so kinda wont make any sense. But anyway..So that's why it's hard to believe in God, heaven, hell if there is no spirit.. or soul. :)

This is mainly addressed to all those claiming to be a vampire. I would consider myself a very open minded person and I never discount the existence of alternate lifeforms to being human. I am a die hard twilight fan of course; however, I think we can all agree it it nothing more than glitz and glam. Vampires seem to have the uncanny abilities to have a stronger sense of emotional, strength, and speed and I believe those who claim to have these quailities. What troubles me is that eveyrone just says Oh I am a vampire but where are your facts. No one knows how they ended up that way, either you were born that way, or just realized you like human blood. No one on this whole damn blog knew how they became a vampire or any statistics to back up their claims. Yes you all have these powers, but many people have uncanny abilities. For example, autistic people, brilliant and good with numbers, but anti social and cannot grasp reality, thats solely a disease though. How do we know what this phenonmenon called vampires is not just a disease or a mind defect. Just basically wheres the proof. Does anyone have any explanation as to how they ended up a vampire? Any breaks into the big question. Can anyone actually provide a conving story. Can anyone explain the side effects? Can anyone say anything more than "I'm powerful." Does anyone have any intellectual insight that might actually help convince people of this existence and enlight us on it. I have provided my email if anyone would please respond.

Sorry i took so long to reply. X)

Firstly, Gerhard, I think they have told the differences they have. Moreover, even when they told them, they cannot show by what they mean of different here in the forum. But i do not think that Vampires are not Humans. If they exist of course. So there is not much to differentiate from. And , too, do you think Vampires have the same nutritional needs as us? It seems like you are comparing Vampire's preference in nutrition against Human's preference in nutrition. Vampires to me are actually humans, but it does not mean they have the same range of nutritional values as us other humans. Its like comparing a lactose intolerant individual against a fit and healthy person. An individual who is lactose intolerant cannot take in (or just prefer not to take in) dairy products to prevent pain and other side effects, so they ,for example, drink Soy Bean Drink(the bland one) instead of Milk( the nice tasting one).

What do you mean by
"The simple reality is that many people are prepared to believe the most bizarre things (even about themselves) if it sets them apart from what they consider to be the norm. This is precisely why people that are attempting to keep a secret (for fear of being hunted down and killed) think nothing about posting that secret all over the internet. " ?

Is there really one set norm? In the society of today, with the Emos, the deviant, the non deviant, is there really a set norm? In each of these groups they have their own norms. So taking a step back and everything as a whole, is there really a norm? So if one believes in a norm then there is a secret. But if only conspires to be a non-conformist, there really no big secret is there? So in the same sense, there are no bizarre things unless you believe its bizarre right? So if they, vampires, believe they are not bizarre, they are no secret, but just a knowledge that is dependent on whether we acknowledge it or not. Its a knowledge that would either threaten us (if you know of it but still feel its bizarre, thus harmful/ life-threatening so would hunt them down) or just accept and rejoice or another new found historical being.

I dont think Vampires are anymore then who they are nor a response to Christianity. Why do you think its a "counter-creature" to God and his angels? Do explain. :) You have a very interesting view of angels and demons. Though i really am shocked when you said "We are pawns in a universal chess game". How so?

Lena: I just recently learned more about the medieval days when men killed witches. Like Henry the Eighth, he killed his concubines who he thought were witches. He killed those who gave birth to still borns or unhealthy borns or those who gave birth to girls. He believed them to be witches who cursed his line of monarchy/heritage. So like you said in earlier posts Lena, you're right. They kill out of fear, threat, blame. and the easiest targets are women. The objects subjected to accept anything they are "requested" to do.

As for immortality, I don't know. I guess its just what I want. Not to die. Im someone who has great fear of death. I don't know how Buddha managed to be enlightened by it. I don't think its a curse to live for eternity. Its gift to me. One cannot be bored with so much knowledge in the world. It will take ages to just gain all the knowledge of today, and once you learn all that knowledge, you gotta catch up with those you did not attain while you were gaining those of today(which is then), and it would keep repeating like that. Too, with technology ever so moving so quickly, its impossible to get bored. But i guess it gets tired to live, but its something so fun! Why would one want to ever want to stop?

Just an hour ago, a friend of mine posted up a note in Facebook about him leaving his faith in Christianity with a whole long list of reasons why. Mainly, he disliked the constant fear of judgment day and the constant fear of doing the wrong things so he would not go to hell. He also mentioned what you said, Lena, and he despised the fact that Christians claimed that God befriended only them which meant that 70% of us humans are going to Hell. But think about the history that all started this. It started before they really knew about other perspectives or other religions. The period when Christianity was created was the period of wars between religions of the Catholics, Protestants, Hindu and Christians. So naturally, one religion would want to claim that they are the religion of the all of mighty to gain more supporters and soldiers to fight for their "church". What bugs me is the whole idea of it. I mean, if death was not the inevitable, there would be no religion would there? there would not be any war or anything. Okay, maybe there would be religion, but not based on threat or fear or judgment or by-laws of "God" of laws already constituted by a constitution of ministers and governors.

Anonymous: One thing i wonder is the sudden influx of people claiming to be vampires after Twilight came out. Just like how a sudden influx of people claiming to be witches and wizards when Harry Potter came out. I guess this influx made it harder for people to believe any. Whether they are giving their claims and justifications or not. Well, i think all of us are very much willing to be enlightened to know how they "turn" vampires. You're right. In fact, I actually came to this page after reading twilight, dying to know the answer. But then again, reality really hits hard don't it? No matter what, we believe our own bubbles. How much they can explain will not be any proof would it? We still drag our feet around, to work, to school, back home, everyday routine. Going through this, would make us only question more whether what they claim is true in this mundane world. Just like the phrase "you won't believe it till you get bitten." and then "once bitten, twice shy". you only believe it and shy away once it happens to you, see it with your own eyes. One of the reason why I wondered why they kept trying to claim they are vampires, and another disbelieving it.

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"Vampires to me are actually humans"

I agree and from that point on whatever other "differences" they mention are irrelevant.  While there may be significant differences between a poodle and a German Shephard, they are both still dogs. 

"The simple reality is that many people are prepared to believe the most bizarre things (even about themselves) if it sets them apart from what they consider to be the norm. This is precisely why people that are attempting to keep a secret (for fear of being hunted down and killed) think nothing about posting that secret all over the internet. " ?

My point in all of this, is that too many people are so desperate to be considered as "special" especially in their own eyes, that they are prepared to do almost anything for that recognition.  This is precisely why so many want to argue about being vampires.  Without getting someone else to believe them, what are they?

Is there really one set norm?

Of course there is, but that doesn't mean that there is only one type of person.  Humans cover a range of appearances and behaviors just like any other animal does.  That is what is normal. 

However, it would NOT be normal for a human to have fangs.  It would NOT be normal for a human to feed on other humans.  It would NOT be normal for a human to live forever.  These are all characteristics that clearly fall outside the "norm".

But if you tell me that you aren't immortal, and don't actually feed on humans, and don't actually have fangs, then what are you except a normal human being?

Why do you think its a "counter-creature" to God and his angels? Do explain. :) You have a very interesting view of angels and demons. Though i really am shocked when you said "We are pawns in a universal chess game". How so?

I don't think that they are "counter-creatures" other than that is how they have been popularized as one way of explaining their existence (that's why crucifixes are supposed to control them).

As for the "pawns" comment, consider that all of religion is based on the cosmic battle between good and evil.  So the final Armageddon is supposed to represent the battle that God and the Devil engage in to finally confront each other.  However, if this is a real battle, then there is no guarantee about the outcome.  Many Christians say that God will defeat the Devil, but if that is true then why have the battle in the first place?  Simply defeat him and be done with it.

At the end of the day, we (the humans) are the hapless victims in this entire story because regardless of how it turns out, we'd have to live with the consequences whether we liked it or not.  We're the only ones with no input ....


Christianity is...
The belief that a cosmic jewish zombie can make you live forever if you symboloicaly eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force within your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree!

Well, that makes perfect sense.

If billions of people are capable to believe this than why not believe in the supernatural?

Yeah vampires and ghosts are hard to believe in but so is this rubbish I mean talking snakes? Are you kidding me?

I'm the vampire that started all this. To the people that are backing me up, thank you. Anything is possible. There could be unicorns and fairies out there and we would never know. I'm am coming out and telling you people that vampires excist becase i'm one. Nobody will know everything there is in this world. For all we know there could be talking animals. We vampires are just like normal humans. Although the sun burns our skin and gives us migranes when we first touch it, we're normal. We can live off human food. I do it all the time. We need blood from time to time though. Vampires are attracted to other vampires. My girlfriend is a vampire and so are all my friends. We do the normal things humans do. We just age slower, need to be out of the sun, drink blood, and garlic stinks, tastes nasty and repells us.

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"There could be unicorns and fairies out there and we would never know. I'm am coming out and telling you people that vampires excist becase i'm one. Nobody will know everything there is in this world. For all we know there could be talking animals."


With such a worldview, it isn't surprising that you say the things you do.  Clearly "in your world" nothing is knowable and all things are possible. 


We do the normal things humans do

I would expect so.

In "This' world anything is possible. You don't know everything there is out in the world.

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In "This' world anything is possible


Only in the fantasy realm

ok the, why don't you prove it. you don't know everything that's out there. only 2 people do and that's god and jesus.

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You just get done telling me that "anything is possible", and then promptly turn around and tell me what isn't.  Strike you as a little inconsistent?

I don't need to prove I  know everything, because I already know. :))

no you don't know. only god knows. and i know vampires exist

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No need to get your panties all in a bunch.  But you might want to get your story straight, since you're claiming that dozens of people know vampires exist (apparently because you know them all) .... :)


Interestingly enough, even though all the vampire "claims" say they aren't anything like what is portrayed by Hollywood, everyone of them is invariably a fan of (or has recently read/seen) "Twilight".  Coincidence?  I think not.



None of my friends(vampires) have never read twilight or seen anything about vampires. i taught them all

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This gets better all the time.  I thought you said all your friends and girlfriend were vampires .... but you taught the all?  So apparently being a vampire is simply being taught?


... and you expect me to believe that your friends are so sheltered that they've never seen anything to do with vampires?  Maybe you'll believe such a fairy tale, but I don't.



I meant i taught them all the vampire traits and they said they have all of them except maybe like three.

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Yes, I understand.  In other words, they never considered that they might be vampires until you told them.

Ever had to tell a dog, it was a dog?

actually yes i have

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Well ... that certainly explains alot

Hank's picture
Have you considered the person you are arguing is secretly one of the writers for this site?

vampire ninja

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No, but then again I don't see much arguing going on either.  Think of it as exploring the boundaries of weirdness.....

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Okay, but when he soon writes "vampires are cool; and by cool, I mean totally sweet"(*) don't say you weren't warned.

(*) Though they totally are!

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Okay, you've made your point. :))  I'm in dangerously weird territory.

hmmm.. this argument is just like telling a zebra is white with black stripes or black with white stripes.

"We just age slower, need to be out of the sun, drink blood, and garlic stinks, tastes nasty and repells us."

Tommy, then how did you find out you were one? I mean, usually if you are something that is really very obvious, its not really a need for someone to tell you what you are right? I hope that your explanation is really not a confusion with other beliefs and physical capability/incapability/defects. :) Is garlic really a factor to just vampires? Garlic does sting the nose and mouth to an extent to everyone im sure; either in its fresh form or even the after breath. LOL. X) i read some websites saying that vampires is just somewhat a practice? or would you say that this practice is apart from who you claim to be? And by what do you mean age slower? If you age slower, do you look younger than your mates in classes? and also, if you age slower, wouldnt you look a tad too young by a certain age(grade) to be able to look the same age as your peers? Im not against you. Its just really abit too much Count Dracula/Twilight-ish. The math really don't fit. Also, if you need to drink blood, where do you get it from? Why do you hunger for blood? what is the urge in it? how often? SPECIFICS please. There has been to much vagueness in everyone's claims so much that pointless arguments go beating round the bush. And why is it that vampires are strong believers in Christianity?

"I meant i taught them all the vampire traits and they said they have all of them except maybe like three."

You do know about the psychology of conformity right??? go check it out. You also do know about peer influence and group behaviors right? And the tendency of distorted beliefs of oneself under the influence of wanting to be something that badly or group influence/pressure right?... mainly where the Goths come in... T_T if you were to teach them something like these, i think there is an inconstancy in credibility of your claim as you follow their response to your actions/"teachings". Its like as though they were pushed as a group to believe they are vampires out of little things you told them. So much that they think they don't mind/really would do into actually doing it for real. Then change and distort their belief of themselves. Please give more CONSISTENT CREDIBLE evidence. Moreover, its not very easy to believe something like this as it is to believe in Dragons because the myth of Vampires only appear in the Western Continents and not here in the East. Do you know why this is so?Pls do tell me if you do. (Ps. Myth of Dragons, im sure you know exists in all countries of the world, so its easier to believe it.)

Gerhard...

"This is precisely why so many want to argue about being vampires. Without getting someone else to believe them, what are they?...But if you tell me that you aren't immortal, and don't actually feed on humans, and don't actually have fangs, then what are you except a normal human being?"

this is precisely why i mentioned the different social groups and questioned about the emos and Goths who seek the dark underground life, vs. the vampires who live the underground life. So maybe... they are the people we classify as Goths? *shrugs* but a vampire who is incapable to get someone to believe his/her claim doesn't mean he/she aint a vampire right? That's my whole entire point of continuously saying that we wont believe what is outside our bubble, so its impossible for one to believe the vampire is a vampire unless we are willing to burst our own sound perceived bubbled world(w/o vampires' real existence). So how can you get yourself to believe it, question that question, when it is obvious that you would not burst the bubble? i have my own share of disbelief for religion and Christianity for my part, and i still question it openly, because it is really not something that anything can prove; just like legends, mysteries and such (vampires for this case). Just like how you argue with Tommy about he being in the fantasy realm instead of reality....No pun. :),,,, its really how one would perceive what is real and really impossible to exist. You do not waver any inch of possibility of vampire's existence. Hence, saying he's living in fantasy, when there actually is a possibility that it aint. We all really do not know every thing nor circumference of the world, so how is it possible for you to say vampires REALLY do not exist? And this is really something that we cannot depend on our own consciousness to "know whats crap and not crap" because our consciousness is our own bubble is it not? What is the unknown is outside the bubble.

"Of course there is, but that doesn't mean that there is only one type of person. Humans cover a range of appearances and behaviors just like any other animal does. That is what is normal. However, it would NOT be normal for a human to have fangs. It would NOT be normal for a human to feed on other humans. It would NOT be normal for a human to live forever. These are all characteristics that clearly fall outside the "norm"."

Sorry, I stand to disagree. Japanese actually DO age slower than other people around the world. They have the longest life ever in the General Global Knowledge. Some villages, like i mentioned in previous posts, have fang like teeth. Last time, there were cults were they fed on their own human friends who were served as "sacrifices to the gods". Besides, i do not think its necessary in today's world for them, vampires(if they EVEN DO exist) to feed on humans! they've the BLOOD BANK! LOL! okay.. or animals.. which is smth they could've done in the past. :) So it seems like you are basing your norm on what is the norm within your society, but not around the world is it? Living longer doesnt show they live forever, but it does feel like forever if you compare it to average life expectancies of today. Lol. I really do like your last point. HILARIOUS!LOL!

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Sorry, but your example proves the point.  If Japanese actually do age slower, so what .... you're not claiming they aren't human are you?  Similarly if you mention villages where people have fang-like teeth ... are you suggesting they aren't human?

If they're all human then you're simply indicating what I already stated, and that is that humans can have appearances that cover a broad range. 


Arguing that he's in a fantasy is the easy part.  If there was even the slightest little bit of truth in what he says, he would be able to provide some evidence.  Instead he sounds like he's fairly young (which is part of the fantasy).  The dead giveaway about the fantasy is that all of his friends are vampires too.  Even if there were a possibility that vampires existed ... what would be the odds that they are all friends in the same neighborhood.  How much would you wager that if his parents got on the net, they'd tell a different story?


In truth, when people have a chance to really see the world and participate in it.  Not the fun stuff, but the truly bad things that can happen.  Sometimes the suffering and the real violence that occurs to people, it turns out to not be as much as they think from the movies.  There is nothing charming, or exciting, or sexy about human blood.  See enough of it, and the stench will be difficult to get over.  So, I'm not really keen on people that simply engage in these sort of fantasies because it happens to be the fad of the moment.



If you have really vampire poof plz contact me . If no one can send me this poof I am ok with my belief that they mite be out there ( A girl can hope) oh and gerhard adams you talked about how an inmortal life would be boring .but how can you say that when humans are so intresting. I would like to a vampire there are alot of ups that apeal to me.but if i could live for all etrenaty(being fat and all) I would give up hope on vampires and just watch the world and the people in it change!!!! sasseycassey108@hotmail.com

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You sound like your rather young, so I imagine that life looks quite interesting to you right now.  By all means, it is a good thing to explore and to be excited about what life has to offer.  The difficulty comes in when you've been alive for several decades and see how things basically stay the same, it becomes extremely tedious to imagine having to experience that for all eternity.

Part of what makes life exciting and worth living is the knowledge that it won't last.  If you could live forever what would be the point in doing anything.  You have forever to do it.

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Wow. You should really consider proper grammar and spelling when formulating your comments. This was so painful to read, that I completely lost what your point was, and have zero desire to go back and try to figure it out. Sorry if this sounds rude, but if you want to be taken seriously, especially on a scientific blog, don't use text-speak.

sorry for some spelling mistakes :)

How young do I sound exactly and how many things have basically stay the same in ur life time?

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You sound like you're probably in your twenties.  In any case, everything in life cycles around and around.  First kids, then grandkids, and sometimes great grandkids.  All wonderful and also it would be the epitome of tragedy to outlive them (which is what being immortal would mean).


so u just get to watch more of ur family grow and be happy and u have more time to do wat u want being a vampire doesn't mean u can't be killed but that u don't age and die naturally .. with the people u know dieing well it's part of life we're not all that old and people we know and love have died u learn to live wit it

It's been awhile since I've added my thoughts but here they are...
Could you imagine what it would be like to be immortal for say, 200 years?
You would have no family, no friends, you would be completely ALONE!!!
That and if you are a vampire, the fact that you every now and then have to kill people to stay immortal...would you really want that on your mind everyday?
Would you want to be completely feared or worse forgotten?

Because if vampires exist...their going through exactly what I just said...sounds like it wouldn't be too much fun does it?

How would you know that your hole family would be dead in 200 years . Bloodlines do carry on and you can all ways make new friends poeple aways come and go from your life so would you really ever be alone. What if vampires didn't have to live on human blood alone maybe they can live on animal as well , and as far as being feared people fear people everday we also fear animals ,bugs, germs , things we can explain , and being forgotten no one is going to remember me in 200 year unless i make a cure for cancer and end up in history books and kids learned about me in 200 years

All I know is that I enjoy wearing adult diapers, you have to try it sometime. It's so comforting!

Ok. So r ther real vampires?.... Like in twilight? Do you drink human blood? Does your eyes change color.? Do you have supernaural powers? And do vampires read mind? . . .like I think I would love to this answer to my question or i m igght go pyscho...sorry ...because I had this question ever since readin thoughs books & I wanted to know if vampires are real. . .because i ve had a craving for blood .and wanted to know if I was becoming a vampire or justt going pyscho....&yes I do love vampires and want to become one. :) . . .sorry if I sound weird.

"Do you drink human blood?"

Yes we drink human blood, but we also drink animal blood.

"Does your eyes change color.?"

No. Our eyes do not change color. They stay the same.

"Do you have supernaural powers?"

If you call excellent hearing, and excellent eyesight, then yes, but other then that no.

"And do vampires read mind?"

No we do not, but we can guess what they person is going to say or do right before he/she does it.

VIMPIRERS ARE NOT REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE MYTH PROBLY STARTED WITH A SCARY CAMPING STORY LONG AGO.

i feel weird though
a few weeks aog, i started to have reactions to what people say that makes me angry, i shriek and growl.
i also felt thirsty although i drank a lot of water.
and i don't feel tired so much.

Why couldn't a vampire be real? Why can there be ghosts and phsycics and whales thirty feet long, but vampires can't exist? It doesn't make sense. Are we afraid of those dark places because of myths, or are we afraid because someone before us has actually faced that? If these myths came from some people with hallucinations, don't you think they'd just be cast out like people with different religions were? I'm not saying that vampires are real, but I'm not so sure they aren't. Once I came into my bedroom and found a bunch of bloodstains in the carpet, so I can't be so sure that they don't exist-I spent an hour getting the stain out, so it would be really hard to convince me that it never happened. We just shouldn't be so sure that they don't exist. We think we know a lot, but we really don't.

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You lost me at the whales to vampires transition...

YOU WANT TO SEE OUR WORLD THAN COME IN TO IT...............http://www.vampiretemple.com/

If you are a vampire, you can suck my cock

What you guys are saying about realife vampires is true. I am 11. I have a friend who is 11 also. She is a vampire.
She told me that it is some special sickness that makes her like to drink blood. Have any of you met one? If so please reply.

Okay, firstly, I believe in the existence of mythological creatures, including ghosts, vampires, werewolves, etc. I don't know why, but I just do. And to the person who wrote this article: you are a complete idiot. How can you turn to maths and science to explain these things, when no-one knows much about them in the first place? The very thing which the author is basing their facts on are theories, and therefore the maths and science involved are also theories. I think that these sort of things should just be left alone by skeptics, because no matter what, they will not believe. And the creatures you write about may not be friendly...so watch out.

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That about sums it up.  The author's ideas are ONLY "theories" and yours are what?  beliefs?
 And the creatures you write about may not be friendly...so watch out.

So if we take this advice, you're suggesting we just go back to a world of superstition and evil spirits.  Yeah, that'll work.

I'm not saying be superstitious, just more careful about how fast we discredit things. And yes, my ideas are only theories also, but I'm not trying to tell the whole world that ghosts can't exists based on a movie. Hello, a movie is just that: a movie!

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Science isn't basing it's theories on movies. 

I have also noticed, Mr. Adams, that you are continually disclaiming the existents of these 'mythological' beings. It seems to me that you are the kind of person who will not believe anything unless you see it. Honestly, I pity you, and people like you. It is clear that nothing anyone says will change your mind on the matter, or any matter once you put your mind to it. A few words of advise: Sometimes what you see is true, sometimes it isn't. Sometimes what you DON'T see is true, and sometimes it isn't. Until I have real proof, not things based on movies, I won't stop believing. And I'm sure that there are many others who feel the same way.

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None of what I'm suggesting is based on movies.  It is however based on science.  While you can choose to believe anything you'd like, it doesn't make it real, nor does it increase the probability that it is real. 

You sound as if you think that all of science is merely a matter of opinion, and you place far too much value on what would be considered anecdotal information.  There are no mythological creatures, which is why they're called "mythological".

I never said that all science is based on opinion, and nor do I think that way. How can I when so much of today's society is based around that of science? I believe - no, I know - that science is factual...just not all science.

Also, just because you don't believe in something, doesn't mean that it is not real, nor does it increase the probability that it is not real. And myth was once legend, which was once story, which was once fact. I conclude, then, that most, if not all, myths are based in an element of truth. How can it be that everyone knows what a vampire is if they did not exist in the first place? how could some random person make up a being like that?

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And myth was once legend, which was once story, which was once fact.

Based on what?

Well, you definitely have a unique way of thinking.... I'll say that much.

Based on a few examples - for one, dragons are now mythological, but they have found fossils of a huge winged lizard-like creature. Is this not an example of how 'mythological' beings could once have been real?

Another point: I don't know what kind of religion or belief you follow about the creation of the world, but let's just say that the theory of Evolution is correct. It seems that every animal has evolved to have some kind of predator, except humans. Should there not be an animal or being which hunts us? If that is so, it would have to be a sentient being, to keep up with human intelligence. If a predator was that smart, it would stay in hiding as technology rose to the level which would be sufficient to destroy it.

And yes, I have been told that my way of thinking is odd. Maybe it's because I have an open mind?

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It seems that every animal has evolved to have some kind of predator,
except humans. Should there not be an animal or being which hunts us?

Not relevant.  Every animal you could postulate would itself have to have a predator if your statement were true, which would simply lead to infinity.  However, it is not true that every animal has evolved a predator of some type.  There are many animals that are at the top of the food chain (Bears, Lions, Tigers, Sharks, etc.).  While they may be exploited by humans (or hunted), they are not prey animals and are not being hunted for food.  However, each of those animals is also capable of hunting humans, although it isn't a preferred food source.  So, the short answer to your question is that this has already occurred.

However, to be completely clear about it, predators don't usually hunt other predators, so the relationship isn't solid.
...but let's just say that the theory of Evolution is correct.

If you're going to go down that path, then you can make up anything you'd like but it wouldn't be scientific.
If a predator was that smart, it would stay in hiding as technology rose to the level which would be sufficient to destroy it.

If a predator was that smart, it would stupid to not have more advanced technology than we have.  It makes no sense to suggest that a predator (who is supposed to be as intelligent or more) wouldn't have its own technology.  It would kind of hard to miss that.
Maybe it's because I have an open mind?

Having an open mind is fine, just so long as its not so open that your brain falls out.  Every conjecture isn't a legitimate pursuit.  Every idea is not worth exploring. 


1. Whilst those predators are at the top of their food chains, is it not true that sharks are hunted to be eaten (flake)? And tigers, bears etc. are hunted for medicinal and food purposes by the people who live near their habitat. This inevitably puts humans on the top of the food chain - every food chain. There is not a known creature on this planet that human beings cannot kill. Which is sad really.

2. I do not pursue every conjecture. I think on and investigate those which I find interesting - and plainly, so do you. This means I can look at a piece of information while 'fence sitting', and not make up my mind before I see it. For this I thank my high school teachers and parents - I have been taught to question everything I see.

3. So, from everything that you've told me, I must accept, like you do, that only science can explain everything in this world? Does that mean that I must not question these things? Science can not explain everything, Mr. Adams. Unless you, with your wonderful scientific knowledge, can tell me what happens after death, or how human emotions have a physical affect on the body? By this I mean why, for example, when a person is stressed, he or she gets a nauseous feeling. Can you show me proof based on factual evidence that vampires do not exist?

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This inevitably puts humans on the top of the food chain - every food
chain. There is not a known creature on this planet that human beings
cannot kill. Which is sad really.

But people are killed for food by these animals too, so it doesn't change anything.
Does that mean that I must not question these things? Science can not explain everything

Not at all, to question is precisely what science is about.  But beyond questioning, comes the task of collecting information and then formulating a hypothesis.  Without the information there is nothing to investigate.  So when you ask if I can prove that vampires do not exist, you should recognize that no one can prove a negative.  In other words you can't prove the non-existence of something.  However, the question is can anyone prove they exist.  So without additional information, the answer is no.  Simply suggesting that they do is not evidence.

Okay, fair enough. I admit that you cannot prove the negative, but hold on...isn't that what this article is trying to do? Well, I guess that people can try, but clearly, they are not succeeding.

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Actually what the article is doing is using science to examine the supposed information or legends about vampires/werewolves/ghosts as they are portrayed in stories.

While this information may be incorrect, the point is that what is provided can be shown by conventional science to not be plausible.

So, the first problem of anyone claiming vampires or werewolves or ghosts exist, is to provide an explanation of what they are.  From there we have information that can be evaluated to see if it fits science, or if it introduces something new.  However, when you dig deep enough, even many of the people claiming to be vampires, are providing the lame excuse of having a disease that makes them want to drink blood.  While that may be true, it's a pretty feeble proof of vampires.

How is it feeble? There is a disease which makes a person crave blood - which then means that they drink it. What more do you want to prove vampirism? Do you want them to have special 'superhuman' powers? That is not the main definition of vampires. The main definition is 'blood-drinkers'. Is this not what these diseased persons do?

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If that's good enough for you, then fine.  However, it's a far cry from the mythological creature that these people want you to believe exists.

I don't see people posting that they are diseased, they are making claims of "powers", which is nonsense.  As I said, you believe that everyone posting is claiming to have this disease, then so be it, but I think most are simply exaggerating based on their desires.

You can tell, because of the frequent references to movies/books like "Twilight" that the discussion isn't about disease.

The book 'Twilight' was not keeping to the typical vampire stereotype, so I believe that we can discount what Stephanie Meyer wrote. As for the other books and movies, their ideas were based around Dracula - who was a real person, even if he wasn't a vampire.

As for people who believe that they are a vampire, a lot of them will be lying or just wishing they were, as well as the few who claim to be diseased. I believe that a vampire would be smart enough not to post who or what they are on an online blog.

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But now you've eliminated all the possibilities except those that can't be seen or confirmed.  What does that leave you?  Speculation ....

What I am trying to say is that there is proof of vampires - the disease. Of the others, who cares (other than myself) what I believe? What are you and people like you going to achieve by attempting to prove me wrong?

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As I said before, you can believe anything you like, but presumably when you post on a science site, it isn't to simply say you believe something.
What are you and people like you going to achieve by attempting to prove me wrong

More importantly what compels you to post a belief that you claim is right?

My original post was to point out the flaws in the paper written. I wasn't commenting on my beliefs, but the article - which is faulty. Everything since has been in responce to your arguments.

Umn, Greetings from Estonia.(I bet you even don't know where that is.) I know vampires don't exist. Well blood-drinking, at least. I know there are people who can suck you out of your energy :D energy-vampires? Don't know. Nice blog.
Just have a question.. If it is just a myth or a story then WHY are there so much talk,movies,books about this? I mean, It would be awesome to be immortal and have strenght and to be super-fast, but .. You really can't explain all the things with science. What about this: It is known that when a person dies, 200-400 grams disappear. Soul flies away? Or..? And does science explain love?

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Actually I do know where Estonia is, but anyway. 
You really can't explain all the things with science.

That's true, but everything that's been discussed here falls within the range of issues that science can explore and explain.  The most important point regarding science is that people can't simply make things up and expect them to be accepted as scientific.
And does science explain love?

Depends what you mean.  Can you define love?  After all what is the difference in love between a husband/wife or a parent/child or among friends?  Are these all the same thing?  Why is it that people that claim to be in love may often end up hating each other?  What does it mean to love your pet or your country or your brand of music? 

The point is that while science can't engage in the reasons why you feel what you do, it can certainly explore what those things may mean or how they occur. 

More to your point, science cannot explain why we consider a painting beautiful, or a landscape, or a piece of music.  While there may be ideas about why we are receptive to certain ideas psychologically, ultimately science can't explain those things because they are personal.

This isn't the same thing as making claims about things that supposedly possess a physical reality (since they interact with the physical world) and then arguing that scientific laws governing that world don't apply. 
If it is just a myth or a story then WHY are there so much talk,movies,books about this.

The truth is that vampire bats exist, as do wolves.  What doesn't exist is the ability of humans to transform into them.  Such stories materialize because people make them up regarding things that they fear.  It's not much different than people that believe the modern stories about Star Wars or Star Trek as representing real laws of physics and real possibilities for the future.


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Of course we know where Estonia is!  Not so long ago, I was flying back from the Far East, and although about 10,000 yards* up in the air, I felt a little relief at crossing the border, that we were now over somewhere where my British-EU passport would be at home.

*in England we used to use the old Saxon** yard, which was almost exactly 1 metre, until those invading French Kongs ( I mean Kings, sorry Mr. Gorilla) imposed a shorter version on us in order to fit his own feet.

** There is extant in Anglo-Saxon literature an account by some sailors who had ventured north in summer, and reported nights that were never dark, and that they also came in contact with people who spoke a language totally unrelated to Old English (the Eestlased?)

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Maddy, you didn't point out any flaws in the article.  You simply called the author an idiot, indicated that you believed in mythological creatures and then claimed that science had no basis for criticism.  You basically put beliefs and speculations on the same plane as theories. 

Sorry, I guess the pointing-out of the flaws wasn't as clear as it should be. What my babble meant was that the author of this article based his scientific and mathematical theories on movies, like Ghost, and the assumptions of the 'mythological' creatures, which can be seen as he goes on to explain that it would be impossible for vampires to exist because if every person who was bitten became a vampire, the human population would all be killed. This makes no sense because what if people don't turn into vampires like that? There are many other flaws in the article I could point out, but I don't have the time, or the inclination to do so right now.

How Did vampires theory began?
i dont know but, if theirs a theory about people who look like humans who bite and drink blood
maybe they really do exist , plus no one has proven that they don't exist also maybe they do blend into communities and maybe some live right next door, no one knows.
and if they do exist we should welcome them and we can get the answer these flying internet questions. about vampire existence (SORRY ABOUT SPELLING!)

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Despite what most people say, the vampire of historical lore didn't necessarily drink blood.  They were always accused of taking the "life-force" from their victims.  It was only in relatively recent times that that was assumed to mean blood.

So basically, most people's opinions of vampires (including those that claim they are vampires) is based on movies and stories.  They're not even accurate regarding the legends that exist.

Here's one theory as to the origins of vampires. I'm sure that you've heard about Dracula. Well, it was discovered that Dracula was a real person - he was an albino with a disease that he believed would be cured by drinking human blood, or that he craved human blood (that bit is a bit iffy). He was a real person, but not a vampire.

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Actually Vlad Dracul was a fairly "bloodthirsty" leader and legend has it that he enjoyed impaling his victims (to the point where he is shown in a drawing eating breakfast amongst the victims). 

Regardless of the history, there is little basis for believing that any real vampires have ever existed.

And yet people do. How could so many people get it wrong?

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The majority of people will always get it wrong, because they don't investigate, they simply react.  Consider that regardless of how many millions of PCs are in people's homes the average individual is barely keeping their head above water in terms of how it works. 

Yes, but this 'myth' of vampires has been around far longer than PCs have.

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I suspect it will be around for years to come.  Regardless of how long it persists, it will not be any more true over time than it is now.

That was not my point. My point was, in fact, that most cultures have some kind of vampire legends, and have for many centuries. How could all of those people get it wrong?

Really? You call yourself a proffesor? I've met 5-year-olds who have given better scientific explanations for these things not being real then you, litterally. But that doesn't mean that I don't beleive. Your whole "vampires aren't real" thing revolves around ONE, JUST ONE theory of how vampires change others into vampires, and with the theory you used, you did not take into consideration that THE VAMPS IN THOSE STORIES THAT USE THAT THEORY KILL 99% OF THE TIME THAT THEY FEED. and also, have you ever thought that, not every little itty bitty thing can be explained by science? although, I do beleive that EVENTUALLY, everything will be known and explained by science, but WE ARE NOT THERE YET, nor will we be for trillions of years to come.

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...you did not take into consideration that THE VAMPS IN THOSE STORIES THAT USE THAT THEORY KILL 99% OF THE TIME THAT THEY FEED.

It wouldn't need to be taken into consideration since we don't have 99% of crimes resulting in death supported by vampire fang marks and unsolved. 

How would you know that it was a vampire fang? Could it not have looked like a snake or a spider? An what about all of the missing persons? Just say, for example, that the vampires were clever enough to hide their victims?

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Please!!!  Do you really believe that a fang large enough for a human could be mistaken for a spider?  After all, the point is that the vampire is supposed to be drinking the blood.  Even in the vampire bat, this process can take hours. 

If we consider that a real vampire bat weights between .5 and 1.5 ounces and requires about 1 fluid ounce of blood daily to survive, we have a basis for considering how this would translate to a human vampire.  If we assume that such traits scaled accordingly a 150 lb human vampire would need to consume 150 pints of blood or the equivalent of killing 12-15 people every night.  It seems like this would be kind of hard not to notice.  I think we can safely conclude that such scalability doesn't apply.  So if we use the caloric content, we could expect about 1 to 2 pints of blood necessary for a "feeding" (about 600-700 calories).  This means that the victims wouldn't die from the event and once again, it would be hard not to notice that many reports of attacks.
An what about all of the missing persons? Just say, for example, that the vampires were clever enough to hide their victims?

OK, now this is just getting silly.  Patterns of people that are missing and killed occur with far too much frequency already and generate plenty of fear when serial killers are suspected.  You and others are suggesting that there is a variation of humans that regularly kill more people than all the serial killers that we've ever known and you do it casually enough to behave as if this is merely cleverness on "their" part.  However, as I indicated above, it is highly unlikely that the full caloric needs would be handled in a single "feeding", so death isn't a likely consequence of a vampire attack.

More importantly, the concept of vampire fangs is ridiculous nonsense.  First, the fangs are modeled after the wolf which cannot drink blood, but instead is intended to rip the throat.  The vampire bat has sharp incisors directly in the front so that it can make an incision and lap the blood.  It would be impossible for a "vampire creature" to hit a vein or artery with any precision simply by biting.  Try it yourself, with an apple to see how accurately you can direct your bite to a specific point on the apple.  In a nutshell, the fang is simply too large to make any precise incision to draw blood.

The truth is that if vampires existed, they wouldn't look fierce with a wolf-like snarl.  Instead they'd look more like Rocky the Flying Squirrel with huge frontal incisors.

Hats off to you Mr. Gerhard Adam. You have single handedly put all of these misguided morons in their places. Alhough that may sound a bit harsh, but I have spent the last hour reading through this blog and I can honestly say that you are theonly person(yes, thats right everyone who has commented on here had been 100% homo sapien) who has a grip on reality. What a show.

I'm at work, and it took me several hours to get though all the posts here. Thank you Gerhard, for being the voice of reason.

To those who think geometric progression is "silly", do the math yourselves. Even if the human population reproduced at an astounding 40%, we would still be wiped out in decades. Real world rates are between 1% and 3%. And the "feeding" and conversion methods aren't based on movies, but actual myths about vampires and how they "reproduce". And myths about creatures such as vampires arise from ignorance, namely the ignorance of what happens to our bodies after death. Decomposition, and the vile things that occur between the moment of death and finally having a bare skeleton.

Ignorance allows (forces?) our imagination to run free. Not always a good thing. Add fear and superstition and you get a runaway cart that stops for nothing, not even reason and logic...

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Thank you Mark and Anonymous 10/27.  It's always good to hear feedback in such discussions.

your all stupid humans
who know nothing about
vampires you shouldn´t be playing with
fire you might get burn...

Gerhard Adam's picture
Whatever else happens, I already know I won't get burned by someone like that ...

Mmm, do you really
think you know everything???
Insignificant human.

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Insignificant?  Hmmmm ... I'll definitely take that to heart from someone that lacks the nerve to even post a name.   I must admit that I'm always amazed at the levels of delusion that people can resort to.

Secrecy its a law only for the
sake of you people, but I think your
theories about us are really interesting.
Though, how we came to be its call
something you named evolution. Isn´t it obvious
animals are a prove to it. Even though scientist like to
prove everything with science there are somethings you
can´t explain. Like ghost and stuff. You have to accepted.
I´m trying to be nice this is the first time i talk to someone
about this. I know you have encountered many people who
had claim to be one, and its just absurd they´re insane. But I swear I am
one thats why I can tell you my name if they find out its the end of me.

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Oh I see.  Revealing your identity is the "end of you" and yet you have the audacity to call me an "insignificant human"? 

So besides vampires, you've now extended this to include "ghosts and stuff".  Even more entertaining is the idea that you're claiming that natural selection gave rise to vampires.  Clearly you need to enhance your knowledge of this a bit more and you'll see why natural selection demonstrates that vampires can't exist.

Then I´m a liar??? I don´t think so
well we had a good chat. I just hope not to tell
you I told you so.
I just thought it would be nice to chat with a human,
but i guess they are right humans don´t care. I just want it to
make clear that we do exist, because i don´t like this to remain
secret. But now I know why we must remain in the shadows.
oh one more thing its called evolution. Don´t forget scientist... And yeah
I do have the audicity, do you really think you know it all.

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No, I don't know it all, but I know that vampires don't exist.  You can label yourself however you like, but it doesn't make it any more real.

Well whatever, your not interesting at all
but you have doubts know. I just want to
make one thing clear we do exist...
Bye, bye.

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I sure wish "vampires" learned how to spell better.  But, I guess that's what happens when you're out claiming victims on school nights.

BTW, by what stretch of the imagination can you think that I have any doubts? 

i sure wish you would leave it alone. everyone has a right to believe what they want

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They can believe what they want, but when they claim it to be fact then they can also expect to be challenged.

Oh God ! Just Leave It Alone! Gosh . If Vampires Are Real (Which I Do Believe In Them ) Then Let It Be ! Leave Them Alone If They're Real Then Awesome An& If They're Not Okay ! God Damn It . If They're Real Then They Have Been Living Just Fine I Would Think With All These "Humans'' Bugging Them . An& If They're Not Then Okay . That's What All The Books Are For To Calm The Imagination . Please Leave Them Alone Everyone's Probably Like A Piece Of Stick Up Their Ass To Them . Extremely Annoying . Leave Them Alone !
-sonia_d1311@hotmail.com

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There's no "THEM" to leave alone. 

Do You Not Understand ?!? Leave Them Alone If They Exist An& If They Dn't Okay It's Not Hurting Anybody Everyone Decides What To Believe. Just Drop The Topic

ur right just drop the damn subject .

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Then why are you posting on it to revive it?

Because If They Do Exist Then I Feel Bad For Them For Not Being Left Alone . An& If They Dn't Exist Then I See No Point In Waiting Your Time Talking About This . Everyone Has The Right To Believe In Whatever . Dn't Fight Just Because One Believes In One Thing An& One In Another .

You know what? I agree. At least when I have been arguing, it is for something I believe in. You are just wasting your time. Each to their own - just respect that everyone has their own oppinion.

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LOL .... I don't think it gets any sillier than that statement.

Hello

I liked this article first off,

Vampires and many other evil things such as demons, werewolves and etc would bite something once and it would become them. However though the scientist has a point, it's not mentioned how often a vampire must feed or how much it can feed on. Which is obviously unknown and speculative as the creatures don't (as far as I know it ) exist. The zombie legend is actually true and it was in Romeo and Juliet.

If a vampire sucked ALL the blood out of your body, then the virus of being a vampire wouldn't enter the body, and if a vampire only sucked enough to where you can live then when it stops sucking it's excess fluids would turn you. This is of course assuming that a vampire begins sucking and is not like most blood sucking creatures. Leeches amongst other release something before biting, but that is because they want to go unnoticed, well because nature intended them to be unnoticed.

If the vampires killed to the point of no return their victims, the victim then cannot become a vampire. Hence no overpopulation. Why would they not do this? they would have to know that they would overpopulate. This also suggests one of the first vampires in the 1600s was concerned with overpopulation. Or was so hungry it would drink all of it's victims blood.

This applies to werewolves as well as they ate humans.

The ghost theory I find sound in the sense that anything that can create force can be effected by it. The only element left unchallenged is what you see in Xmen and other special powers. That is the ability to effect your materialization. What I mean is, there is a theory if you vibrated and object or vibrated yourself that you would pass through a wall. Also the special ability to pass through the weaknesses of a wall by becoming smaller atoms or loosely connected. Basically coming apart and back together again. This is how science fiction plans teleportation. This said however even if you could focus your matter from a shape to a non shape? then in your solid form that you can create force you would then be effected by force. It's the same theory of being in another dimension you can't attack people in the other dimension since your not in it. Also this also implies that you could in fact create a material so atom wise compressed that you could not teleport through it. Meaning to get through something would have to create the force or energy to shake it and break it up.

To explain via example. A wall built of sand you could pass through, quick sand you can pass through. A large stone wall you cannot. However if you made that stone into stand via a jackhammer, you could pass through it then. There would be other things that might not be able to pass through the sand wall.

This is a weak example because we are a dense object hence we do damage when going through a sand wall. We can't pass through a sand wall without damaging the wall. That also makes another point.

If you pass through and object then on the atom level, you would be able to see that. Yes it is invisible to the naked eye but a machine could be built. Therefore we could constantly monitor where "ghost" activity was, if on the atom or below level nothing changed or moved, then we could deduce that there is no ghost. Even a ghost has to be made up of something or make change if it uses force. If the atoms move out of the way and restructure for an invisible object, then we can deduce we can't see said object. Hopefully, Yet.

The weakness with this is that we would have to use a microscope vision covering a full wall and that would take a lot of microscopes. It would be expensive to watch one door much less an entire house.

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