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By Fred Phillips | August 27th 2009 09:52 AM | 11 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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About Fred Phillips

After a dozen years as a market research executive, Fred Phillips was professor, dean, and vice provost at a variety of universities in the US, Europe, and South America. He is a Senior Fellow of... Full Bio

Years back, conversing with a now long-retired dean, I happened to let slip the words “common sense.” He replied, “It’s been a long time since I heard that phrase uttered on this campus, much less seen it practiced.”

He had a point. Nonetheless, when in later years I was in charge of the university’s Institutional Review Board, overseeing inter alia our researchers’ ethical treatment of human subjects, I urged a light touch tempered by common sense. (I’m a management researcher who groks that subjects are unlikely to be traumatized by being asked what brand of corn flakes they like.)


This was an upstream paddle, as the IRB members gravitated toward the paternalistic and intrusive. They were buttinskys, no two ways about it. I still disagree with them, but I came to appreciate new complexities.

A New York Times article offered one such.  The piece is about former Northwestern U. psychology department chair (and our fellow Scientific Blogger) J. Michael Bailey and the nationwide academic war spurred by his 2003 book describing an alternate theory of transgender motivation.


The book presented the alternative theory “in part by telling the stories of several transgender women he met through a mutual acquaintance.”  Controversy exploded immediately (and continues here). The then-director of the Kinsey Institute said to Bailey, “Michael, I have read your book, and I do not think it is science.”

Today’s blog does not register approval or disapproval of Dr. Bailey or his scientific views. Its sole aim is to focus on the IRB-relevant “informed consent” aspect of his book as described by the Times, to wit: Four of the women whom Bailey interviewed “wrote letters to Northwestern, complaining that they had been used as research subjects without having given, or been asked to sign, written consent.”


Ethics Prof. Alice Dreger of Northwestern, now one of Bailey’s defenders, had originally thought him guilty of ethical violations.  Investigating, Dreger “found that two of the four women who complained to Northwestern of research violations were not portrayed in the book at all. The two others did know their stories would be used, as they themselves said in their letters to Northwestern.”

In her report, Dreger “argued that the book does not qualify as scientific research,” based on the federal guideline for IRBs.  As you perhaps suspect, a bizarre and troubling twist is about to round the corner: “Bailey used the people in his book as anecdotes, not as the subjects of a systematic investigation, [Dreger] reported.”

Wow. My interpretations:

  1. Though this article quotes Bailey saying “I interviewed people for a book; This is a free society, and that should be allowed,” Dreger established that Bailey did not violate informed consent rules as these would be interpreted (in spirit if not in letter) by his university’s IRB.  It was then unnecessary for Bailey’s defense for Dreger to declare, along with Bancroft of the Kinsey Institute, that Bailey’s book was not scientific research.  But she did so anyway.  

  2. A great many of my faculty  colleagues depend on qualitative methodologies such as case study, depth-interview, and so on.  If we take Dreger literally, such studies are just gussied-up anecdotes, not science.  Or at least, she has publicly opened a door to that view.  I don’t imagine university researchers will accept it, even with the silver lining (I’m being ironic now) that they wouldn’t have to submit to the IRB.

  3. I have not read Michael Bailey’s book, but I’m intrigued by “Dr. Bailey described the alternate theory, which is based on Canadian studies done in the 1980s and 1990s, in part by telling the stories of several transgender women…”  Qualitative methods are exploratory and strive toward theory, but cannot themselves produce theory, IMHO.  So the question of the book’s scientific nature (and its fit with the federal guidelines), insofar as we can answer it by reading the Times article, rests on the two words “in part.”  

  4. If one of us published less-than-rigorous work in a peer-reviewed journal article, the rest of us would be justified in jumping all over him/her.  However, academic custom gives a researcher more latitude in a book; the book author is freer to speculate and explore avenues not yet supported by strong evidence.  This is even more true in a book for popular audiences, in which the parts based on research presumably refer to stuff published earlier in journals – and which must have passed a university’s IRB muster long ago.  Viz., “Canadian studies.”

  5. If, as it indeed appears, Bailey  presented a theory based on his interpretation of the Canadian studies, and claims to have simply added color and human interest with the stories of the several women, then did the women’s stories just constitute “fill” for his text, or must they be regarded as a “hold-out sample” used by Bailey to test the theory? 

Either way, in a subject so fraught with psychological and social risk, the potential for harm to interviewees is nontrivial.

Why should a scientist be held to a standard to which journalists and novelists pay no mind? For starters, it’s part of our career commitment – if we were told about IRBs during our graduate studies. When we work on federally funded projects, or submit to a journal that wants IRB documentation, it’s a practical necessity.

But what if this was not a “systematic investigation”? That is, what if Bailey was acting in this instance not as an academic researcher but as a journalist? Cases like #5 above scream, “Borderline! Gray area!” This is where minimalism, constrained by common sense, should prevail.


My university’s IRB discussed the Bailey case and never came to agreement on it. Not being Northwestern, they didn’t have to. But someday they’ll be forced to face a like question. They’ll argue at great length, and barely achieve a majority view. There’s a lot of muddling-through involved in practical ethics.

P.S. The Scientific Blogging staff just posted an article about informed consent here.




Comments

Hfarmer's picture
You are treading on dangerous ground my friend.  Be careful let you too be labeled a shill for Bailey, and Blanchard.  
{sarcasm}By the way if you are so labeled let me invite you to the second annual Clarke/North Western Clique Barbeque.  You missed the first one. It'll be in the last week of May.{/sarcasm}   

Honestly though you are correct to write point 1.   Let me tell you this from first hand experience.  While I did not appear in Dr. Bailey's book, I did meet him a couple times in the period in which he was writing his book.  The way he spoke to me was completely casual.  I was aware that he was writing a book he talked about it openly.  It is correct to believe that the IRB complaints were total and complete BS.

What was not BS however were the personal things he wrote about the people he wrote about.  i.e. In the book he wrote of one person "Juanita" in a rather disrespectful way. He wrote that she was insincere in her marriage, that the suburbs were too boring, that she probably missed the nite life and freedom of being a whore and so divorced the man.  Those are not his exact words but in so many words what he wrote could be taken that way.   "Juanita" was the one who complained that he had sex with her, "tried something", etc while she was a research subject.  I don't know what went down,  supporters of one side make Bailey out to be a monk and "Juanita" out to be the virgin Mary.

Note, like most of the people Bailey wrote about he called "Juanita" a "homosexual transsexual" not Autogynephilic.  That said most of the bru ha ha was about Autogynephilia, why is that?  There are deep sociological reasons, of class, and race in the TG community which I will not go into.  

Good luck.



Hontas -

I took your offer up at the Baily blog on MJ and ran a google on your name as you suggested. Unfortunately what I discovered was deeply disappointing if accurate. I think most of what I read is summarized at this web page:

http://www.intersexualite.org/Hontas-Farmer.html

I would be interested in reading your rebuttal.

Thank you.

Hfarmer's picture
This is my rebuttal: Basically what's written there is total BS.  Except for where it says I was never a prostitute, that's 100% true. 
http://sites.google.com/site/hontasfarmer/hontas-aisha-farmers-skeleton-...


You might also find this conversation on a message board interesting.  Someone purporting to be the person who wrote what you linked to says it's not to be taken seriously.  You might want to check out that most of the people bothering to comment in that thread, at least after I showed up, are commenting in support of me. 


As far as what it says about how I look, and uses pictures taken of me in Hijab during ramadan to tell how bad I look, my rebuttal is 

http://www.bodybyvictoria.com/#/Gallery/720

:-\

Now does everyone see the dysfunctional workings of the brains of some of the critics of Michael Bailey.  (Not so much the lead names but some of the minor hangers on and johnny Jane come latelies.) They see conspiracy where there is none.  They don't know a joke when they see it.  In their world femininity confers status so a way to attack me is to call me ugly and mannish and say that I never have done any kind of adult work things which have a feminine association.  The way that was presented should have tipped them that it was not a serious piece at all as it was written by a man who earned his manhood the hard way who likely does not idealize femininity as some of them apparently do. 

Sigh...

Trannies need to get over themselves and stop worrying about seeking an idealized external form which is generally thrust upon them by society. Androgens warp and distort the body in uncontrollable ways. Seeking internal validation of gender identity though perfection of external presentation is an awful way to live life.

When the self-identification as being Transgendered was first embraced in 1994 or so, the concept was that it would unify all the various aspects and experiences but sadly the same old fears and identity politics have again separated 'true' transsexuals from all the other who are merely TG.

Best of luck to you. Glad I don't have to go through it all again.

Hfarmer's picture
Tell that to the people who buy the HBS idea. 

In many ways, Bailey/Blanchard has further institutionalized the classic Trannie pecking order. Simply replace Homosexual Transsexual with 'true' transsexual. The rest are simply not. This is what rankles so many trannies about Bailey's work. Many have spent years or decades reconstructing an identity on Premise A and along come Blanchard and Bailey who deny the existence of Premise A thereby negating part of the foundation for the identity of many, many trannies. No wonder the reaction boarders on fight or flight behavior.

However, the real danger to Tranniedom poised by the theories and writings of Blanchard and Bailey is that their work can (and will) encourage people to try to reprogram autogyns in a unscientific attempt to cure them of their mental illness. Aversion therapy comes speedily to mind as one possibility.

This is why I am strongly in favor of an IRB for any credentialed researcher writing a popular science book espousing a complex and contested theory that if applied by laymen can cause harm to others. Anything else would be negligent.

Writing a book about string theory isn't gonna harm anyone even if string theory can never be experimentally tested, but promoting an unverified model of transsexuality to the masses is bound to get some poor Trannie Teen strapped into a chair with electrodes placed on any number of sensitive body locations because Mommy and Daddy, who don't want a skin transvestite for a son, took him to a reactionary shrink who passionately recites Deut 22:5 with each press of the electrical contact. I simply cannot support any mass market pulp that may encourage harm to any trannie; proto, pre or post. There is enough threats out there already. Don't you agree?

Fred Phillips's picture
IRBs concern themselves only with direct research subjects - interviewees, survey respondents, and experimental subjects. Whether the results of the research (as opposed to the process) are used in a socially responsible way is left to (i) chance, (ii) the individually motivated actions of the researcher, and (iii) other concerned parties. Universities and research institutes do not provide incentives for following up on the social impact of one's research.My students read Szilard and Einstein's letter to Franklin Roosevelt as an example of how researchers who really hated the idea of applying their research in a certain way nonetheless came to the view that it would be for the best, and extended themselves to advocate for it.

Let's see more on these pages about scientists who followed through - who didn't just 'publish and fuggedaboudit.' My own students need the inspiration; they can't all identify with Einstein.



Fred Phillips's picture
This blog is on the Ethics/Philosophy page, to emphasize that it is solely about the challenges of IRBs. I hope commenters will not stray too far from that focus.

However, Hontas, I’m grateful to you for the information you provide on events during and after the writing of Dr. Bailey’s book. If I were still Vice Provost, I’d go back to the IRB and ask, “What does this input tell us about what we can do before the decision to approve certain research? How does this information affect what we tell faculty and students about what kinds of research are exempt from IRB review, eligible for fast-track review, or subject to full review? Should we change the official form to capture additional possible researcher behaviors that could endanger the ethical treatment of subjects?”

But I’m not an administrator any more, nor on the IRB. Thanks anyway for the ‘good luck’ wish – maybe not being an administrator is my good luck. 


Hfarmer's picture
I feel where you are coming from sir.  The Bailey case gives those of us who do research involving people a cautionary tale.  The people can "research"/"investigate" back.  Not inspiring, but none the less true.  

Fred,

You hit the nail on the head with your observation that "academic custom gives a researcher more latitude in a book; the book author is freer to speculate and explore avenues not yet supported by strong evidence." This is certainly where things have gone astray with publications like Bailey and other works. Unfortunately, many lay people mis-conceptualize or misapply the almost necessary science generalizations and subsequently use arguments to authority to push forward there own social/political agendas. This is true for The Man who would be Queen, for The Bell Curve,. for The Naked Ape and so forth.

Certainly Szilard and Einstein both perceived that promoting the military possibilities of E=MC2 to FDR was the lesser of two evils when compared to the possibility that the Nazi Heavy Water research could bear similar fruit. To their credit, they did not go to the public with their agenda. They recognized the potential for harm implicit in building an atomic bomb and judged it less than the harm of a Nazi dominated world.

Hopefully, we will never face another social crisis where that magnitude of choice is required of any researcher.

It is arguable that it was eugenics which created the necessity of the Szilard/Einstein letter. Eugenics was a very popular movement arising from the misapplication of Darwin's work by his cousin Francis Galton in the popular treatise, "Inquires into Human Faculty and it's Development." A man of his times, Galton based his theory on the traits valued by the British Class system. This roughly translated to the lower the social class the lower the genetic value of the individual.

Here in the US, there was wide spread backing of eugenics from the White House to the backyard. This led to forced sterilizations of 'defectives' including the mentally ill, criminals, homosexuals, and members of the lower classes. At least 60,000 citizens were sterilized by the time the laws were overturned in 1963.

Hitler was arguably it's biggest supporter, praising it in Mein Kampf and making eugenics into a pseudo-scientific notion of racial supremacy and purity. The subsequent sterilizations and euthanasia of German 'defectives' forced Einstein and other Jewish scientists to flee Germany and eventually led to that famous letter to FDR proposing that "extremely powerful bombs of a new type may thus be constructed."

If we continue to slip into Sagan's Demon-Haunted World, the risk of misapplication of popular science becomes even greater with more and more average readers lacking the skills necessary to detect pseudo-science baloney, logical fallacies and personal agendas masked as popular science.

While I feel for the transgenders in their complaints about Bailey's book let me tell you how full of S-it they are. The one lady who complained that Bailey had sex with him actually made a video where she talks about when she was a shemale. I don't know how reliable dreger is since she could have an axe to grind for Bailey. She wrote that "Juanita" uses her real name in this video.

http://www.ablongman.com/html/videoworkshop/movies/psychology/HS_VW_Clip...

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