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Transsexual Smokescreen: Ignoring Science In “The Man Who Would Be Queen”

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About Michael Bailey

I am Professor of Psychology at Northwestern University. I study sexual orientation and related traits such as sex atypicality and gender identity. In 2003 I published a popular science book, The Man Who Would Be Queen, that evoked a great deal of controversy, including libel. Here, for now, to help set the record straight.

Psychology

Both in her recent appearance on KQED’s Forum talk show and in her blog, Stanford University’s Joan Roughgarden continues her campaign to discredit me and my book, The Man Who Would Be Queen.

Roughgarden’s rate of false accusations per utterance is so high that it is tempting to take the time to refute them one by one to the exclusion of getting around to discussing the science. Indeed, I believe that is the intent of Roughgarden and my other chief critics. If attention is focused on an endless stream of (false and outrageous) allegations made against me as a person, then no one will pay attention to the scientific ideas, presented in my book, that many of my critics wish to keep hidden. That is the purpose of the Big Lie, which can be summarized as follows:

“No one need pay attention to the theory of transsexualism discussed in Bailey’s book, because the theory has no evidence to support it, except for a handful of unrepresentative transsexual women that Bailey abused (including writing by about them without their consent).”

Consider one typical instance of Roughgarden’s method. In the KQED program she accuses me of being racist: “…he actually says this in the book on page 183: ‘About 60% of the homosexual transsexuals and drag queens we studied were Latina or Black.’ Latina people ‘might have more transsexual genes than other ethnic groups do.’ Very clearly racist.”

Here's what my book actually says, on pages 183-184:

Alma is a 40-year-old Latina homosexual transsexual who got her sex change in her mid-30s — quite late for the homosexual type…

Alma has also noticed, as I have, the large number of Latina transsexuals. In Chicago, there are several bars that cater to Latina transsexuals. About 60 percent of the homosexual transsexuals and drag queens we studied were Latina or black. The proportion of nonwhite subjects in our studies of ordinary gay men is typically only about 20 percent. Alma says she thinks that Hispanic people might have more transsexual genes than other ethnic groups do. Another transsexual, remarking on the same phenomenon, attributed it to ethnic gender roles: “My culture is very macho and intolerant of femalebehavior in men. It is easier just to become a woman.”

I am not sure about the validity of all of Alma’s observations, much less her theories....

(pp.183-184)

I didn’t make the “racist” statement about transsexual genes being more common among Hispanics; Alma did. Roughgarden made several other major misstatements during the interview.

Before I spend more time on Roughgarden et al’s campaign of defamation, let me tell you a bit about the ideas that provoked it.

Why Do Some Men Become Women?

Canadian scientist Ray Blanchard conducted a number of studies in the 1980s and 1990s supporting his theory that there are two, and only two, distinct kinds of males who decide to become women. (Abstracts of some of Blanchard's relevant articles are available here.)

Members of one type are best conceived (before they become women) as very feminine homosexual males. They have been extremely and recognizably feminine since early in life. They are exclusively, strongly, and unambiguously sexually attracted to men. In my conversations with transsexuals such as these, they have said that they transitioned because they decided they would function better, socially and sexually, as women than as men. After all, they had always had overtly feminine behavior patterns. Furthermore, homosexual men tend to dislike feminine traits in their sex partners, and thus the sexual prospects of some of these extraordinarily feminine homosexual males are likely to be better as women than as men.

It is the explanation of the other type of male-to-female transsexual that is virtually unknown outside of contemporary sexology, and I believe that it is this explanation that offends Roughgarden and the leaders in the defamation campaign against me: Lynn Conway, Dierdre McCloskey, and Andrea James. Members of this type are not overtly feminine (at least prior to taking steps to become women), and they are not primarily sexually attracted to men. Rather, they are sexually aroused by the idea of becoming and being women. Members of this subtype, whom Blanchard has called both "nonhomosexual" and "autogynephilic" male-to-female transsexuals, are best conceived as a type of heterosexual male. In their unusual heterosexuality, their primary erotic target, or sex object, is not an actual, external woman, but rather, a woman that is fantasized, and ultimately created inside the self. That is, the primary sexual orientation of autogynephilic males is toward themselves as women. The inward focus of autogynephilic eroticism is usually incomplete, and so most autogynephilic individuals have some sexual attraction for actual women as well. A male-to-female transsexual with a clear history of attraction to women, such as heterosexual marriage, is almost certainly autogynephilic.

Autogynephilic males typically first manifest their condition during adolescence via erotic cross-dressing, that is by putting on womens' clothing (especially lingerie such as bras and panties) and masturbating. Some restrict their autogynephilic activities to cross-dressing. Others discover that performing certain stereotypic female activities (ranging from knitting to having intercourse with a man) is exciting. Still others discover that it is especially erotic to fantasize about having female anatomical features, such as breasts and a vulva. It is the latter group that is most likely to undergo sex reassignment surgery [i]. This is not to say that autogynephilic feelings are only intensely sexual, any more than heterosexual mens are. Over time, autogynephilia may become less intensely erotic, just as heterosexual men's sexual feelings for their partners often do.

Blanchard has referred to the general type of inward erotic focus found in autogynephilia as a "target location error" — the erotic target that should be on the outside is somehow misplaced to the inside. There are some other fascinating examples of inwardly-focused erotic targets, and I will write about these in a later blog. (For example, some men become erotically attached to the image of themselves as amputees.)

It is important to note, again, that in general, autogynephilic transsexuals show little evidence of femininity aside from their autogynephilia-motivated actions. For example, autogynephilic transsexuals often pursue stereotypically male activities and interests such as the military or race car driving. Interestingly, autogynephilia appears to be associated with increased science and mathematical abilities and interests[ii] (and these are correlated with the male sex). Indeed, the prototypic occupation for autogynephilic individuals is computer scientist. Without knowing about autogynephilia, it is difficult to understand why a masculine, apparently heterosexual man who has fathered several children would decide to become a woman.

The mantra of some male-to-female transsexuals is that they are simply "women trapped in men's bodies." This assertion has some truth for homosexual transsexuals, who are extremely and recognizably feminine (and like most women, attracted to men), but for autogynephilic transsexuals it is not true in any meaningful sense.

Useful places to learn more about Blanchard's theory and autogynephilia include autogynephilia.org, Anne Lawrence's website, a FAQ I assembled in the early stages of attacks by Roughgarden et al., and transkids.us, a site dedicated to education about, and advocacy for, homosexual transsexuals.

Roughgarden's Treatment of the Evidence for Autogynephilia

In her blog Roughgarden actually provides a critique of some relevant scientific studies, so obviously she knows of some of the science. But she provides a (very partial) review of the evidence for Blanchard's taxonomy of male-to-female transsexualism. She restricts her comments to data from three studies as available in a powerpoint file used by Blanchard in a conference presentation, ignoring the complete reports of these studies, as well as other relevant studies. Even beyond the partial nature of her review, her dismissal of the evidence she does bother to consider is bizarre and unscholarly. Most strikingly, in the first study she notes that: "About 75% of 63 heterosexual, asexual, or bisexual (HeAB) people [nonhomosexual male gender patients] found wearing womenÕs clothing to be arousing, whereas about 15% of 100 homosexual (HO) people [homosexual male gender patients] did too."

A difference of 75% versus 15% is huge and important. Roughgarden rejects it as "mixed" presumably because she believes (or wants you to believe) the difference should be 100% versus 0%. However, this is naïve and unrealistic. Both the relevant variables, sexual orientation and admission of erotic arousal to cross-dressing, are measured with error. (For example, in another study not mentioned by Roughgarden, Blanchard showed that men who fit the autogynephilic profile are not always aware of erotic arousal to cross-dressing even when it occurs. Such men would have been wrongly counted in the study Roughgarden reviewed.) This is an elementary point.

There is overwhelming evidence for the validity of the distinction between homosexual and nonhomosexual (i.e., autogynephilic) male-to-female transsexualism. Roughgarden's unscholarly review cannot hide the evidence.

My Book

My book, The Man Who Would Be Queen, is a popularized summary of the best available science regarding male femininity, including transsexualism. The book is about scientific studies, including some scientific studies that I conducted. It was not intended as a scientific study, itself, and this is obvious to most people. The section on transsexualism both reviews some of Blanchard's research and illustrates Blanchard's theories using anecdotes about several transsexual women whom I met over the years.

In her radio interview, and also in her blog, Roughgarden repeats her accusation that I committed fraud by only "studying" a few transsexuals and basing my conclusions on them. These accusations are clearly false to anyone who has read my book or internationally-respected historian Alice Dreger's accounting of the controversy.

Soon after my book was published, Lynn Conway of the University of Michigan sent emails to a group of prominent transgender people, including Roughgarden, McCloskey and James, calling my book "transsexual women's worst nightmare" and calling for help in "investigating" and "exposing" me. Shortly afterwards, Roughgarden attempted to have me disinvited as a colloquium speaker at Stanford. When this failed, she wrote an inaccurate account of my talk there. She claims that I was making mean-spirited fun of gender non-conforming children and adults. Any reasonable person who has read my book or seen me speak about this topic knows that I am highly sympathetic toward feminine males and masculine females.

Lynn Conway and Deirdre McCloskey of the University of Illinois in Chicago eventually persuaded two of the transsexual women I wrote about in my book to file formal charges to my Institutional Review Board that I conducted research without informing them properly. These charges were false (see Dreger's article, pages 38-41). Other false charges include the accusation that I had sex with a "research subject" (see Dreger, pages 41-46), that I made up the story of Danny (the feminine boy featured in the first part of my book; see Dreger, page 50), among other false accusations.

Why Believe Me?

If Roughgarden, Conway, and McCloskey insist that Ray Blanchard's ideas have no merit, why should one believe my claim that those ideas are true?

Firstly and most importantly, I have already noted, albeit briefly, that there is a body of empirical evidence that provides strong evidence for those ideas.

Secondly, the insistence of many transsexuals whom Blanchard would classify as autogynephilic, that they cannot be explained via his theory, is unconvincing. Take Anjelica Kieltyka, the transwoman I wrote most about in my book. As a non-feminine male, Chuck Kieltyka cross-dressed erotically from adolescence, and then in college he learned that wearing fake breasts and vaginas and watching himself in the mirror simulating sex with a penis (actually a dildo) was immensely erotic. But to this day, Anjelica Kieltyka denies that her transsexualism had anything to do with autogynephilia.

Blanchard did two relevant studies. In one he measured the sexual arousal (via penile erections) of apparently autogynephilic males who denied ever being sexually aroused to cross-dressing. He showed that on average, they were in fact so aroused. In the other study, he showed that among apparently autogynephilic males, those who denied their autogynephilia scored high on a psychometric test developed to detect the tendency to respond in socially desirable ways. Thus, among the transgendered, denial of autogynephilia is apparently related to the desire to give a good impression. Both of these studies suggest that denial of autogynephilia should not be taken at face value.

For these reasons, the protestation by some transsexuals that Blanchard's theory does not include them is unconvincing. Although it is possible that another kind of male-to-female transsexual exists, no good evidence exists that this is the case.

Are Blanchard's Ideas and My Book Bad for Transsexuals?

Many of my critics, including Roughgarden, would have you believe that transsexuals are only and always harmed by people believing that Blanchard is correct. Obviously, some transsexuals (evidently including Roughgarden, Conway, McCloskey, and James) dislike the ideas conveyed in my book, especially autogynephilia. I did not mean to hurt these, or any, individuals by writing my book. Rather, I meant to write what I believed, and continue to believe, is the truth. That said, I would not have written my book had I believed that it could have only negative consequences for the transgendered.

In fact, my book has had some clearly good effects. I have received correspondence from many transgender individuals—including some who explicitly identify as autogynephilic—who have thanked me for writing as honestly as I did in my book because it has helped them to know that Blanchard's theory makes sense of their realities, their identities. The excerpt below just came Sunday (I am happy to allow the editor of this site to check the veracity of these emails):

I have been following with great interest the controversy that has been over your book and I feel it most unfortunate that you have been subject to such invective from many activists. I myself am a transgender person and have been involved with the transgender community in Germany for several years and feel that many of the observations made in your book are - at last anecdotally - quite an accurate portrayal of some- but not all - transsexuals. Also the observation that homosexuals have an effeminate background is true in some cases - but perhaps not all. Describing your book as an affront to transsexuals seems to me to be very far fetched and unfair, indeed your book seemed sympathetic to our cause.

This came just a few days before:

I just recently listened to your KQED interview, and wanted to write in support of your position or autogynephilia. I had been keeping up with Ray Blanchard's theory of autogynephilia as I fully support its conclusions and the sexual component toward M2F transitioning.

I did purchase and read your book a couple years ago and did not find it offensive but rather a step forward toward bringing the sexual component into the transgendered world. I have struggled with my transsexual issues my entire life but due to a past marriage with children, unsupportive parents, and working for a family business I have not found the right time or courage to transition.

One more, from a couple weeks ago:

For almost half of my life, I've had (and still have) a lot of questions about my sexual orientation and sexual identity (I'm a heterosexual biological male). A few months ago, I had a fling with a man I met outside of a transsexual strip club. Afterwards in his apartment, I chatted with him about the confusion I had over my own sexual identity. For a sleazy guy I met outside of a house of ill repute, he was remarkably intelligent and empathetic to what I had to say. He recommended that I read your book, The Man who would be Queen. After a lot of bungling and misplaced orders by Borders, I finally got a copy of your book a few weeks ago and read it cover-to-cover in a single sitting. Until I read the section on autogynephilia, no one I'd ever spoken with and nothing I'd ever read had given me such a sense of identity and self-awareness. Everything I had read about transsexualism prior focused on "the woman trapped inside the man", which never really clicked for me. In fact, your characterization was so spot-on that I'm embarrassed to know someone knows so much about the side of me that I keep hidden from the public. I'm an autogynephilic transsexual, and, embarrassment aside, it feels wonderful to know that there are others like me.

None of Roughgarden, Conway, McCloskey, and James has ever acknowledged the subset of transsexual individuals who are grateful that autogynephilia is being discussed. Furthermore, the best example of a transsexual woman who openly endorses Blanchard's ideas, Dr. Anne Lawrence, was savagely attacked by James, who assembled an ugly website devoting to smearing Lawrence's reputation. Sound familiar?

I understand that despite the liberating effect Blanchard's ideas have on some transgendered individuals, those ideas present a significant challenge to some others. Reconsidering one's identity — the way one conceives of oneself — can be quite distressing. (When scientists first suggested that the earth is not the center of the universe, or that there is no fundamental difference between Man and other animals, this must have provoked a great deal of discomfort.) I am sympathetic to this distress, but there is simply no excuse for dishonest and vicious personal attacks and disingenuous discussions of science.

It is not uncommon for autogynephilic individuals to feel great shame (not unlike the great shame tragically felt by so many homosexual individuals). I find such shame to be unfortunate and unnecessary. As a sexual orientation, autogynephilia may be difficult to understand, but it need harm no one. To me, the most obvious harm occurs when an autogynephilic individual becomes a husband and father and the family then dissolves when he decides to become a woman. Helping to acknowledge autogynephilia earlier in life may help to prevent more trans women from unintentionally ending up in this situation. Shame about autogynephilia can only be intensified by continuing to deny its existence and by acting as if anyone who brings it up is trying to damage transgendered people. As I wrote in my book: True acceptance of the transgendered requires that we truly understand who they are.





(i) Blanchard, R. (1993). Varieties of autogynephilia and their relationship to gender dysphoria. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 22, 241-251.

(ii) Laub, D. R., & Fisk, N. M. (1974). Arehabilitation program for gender dysphoria syndrome by surgical sex change. Plasticand Reconstructive Surgery, 53, 388-403.

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This latest response from

This latest response from Bailey is interesting because his entire focus is insisting on the existence of autogynephilia, which actually does not address any of the major concerns that have been raised. To my knowledge no one has ever denied that some transgendered people (and many non-transgendered people) are aroused by cross-dressing. The concerns that have not been adequately addressed are the serious bigotry embedded throughout his book (e.g. that transgendered people are shop lifters and especially suited to be prostitutes), the very poor quality of the "science" he refers to in his book, the questions about Bailey's credentials to be practicing clinical psychology without a license (which means he has not done the intensive one year of clinical training/exposure to real patients), the allegations about sleeping with a subject (whether he was doing research on her or just interviewing her for a book), informed consent issues, the hideous outing of one of the main characters in the book, and the misrepresentations (for instance portraying one of the major examples in the book as transgendered when in fact she was intersexed).

In my opinion, Bailey's book covered information about transsexuality in the most bigotted, sensationalist, insensitive, misleading, and humiliating way possible, utterly denying transgendered people the respect and dignity they are due as human beings. And now Bailey is comparing us to amputee fetishers. With friends like him, who needs enemies.

Ben Barres
Professor of Neurobiology and Neurology
Stanford University

Professor Barres continues

Professor Barres continues to make the same false accusations that Roughgarden made, and which are refuted in material linked in my article. I hope that even he would agree with me in urging anyone who is curious about all this to read both my book and Alice Dreger's scholarly article about the controversy it provoked. Links in my article.

J. Michael Bailey
Professor

Exactly. To deny the

Exactly. To deny the existence of autogynephilia would be to commit the same sort of disrespect that we're all complaining that Bailey does, since there certainly are people who self-describe that way. My objection to Bailey's book is partly to the disrespect for trans people's identities, such as describing straight trans women as "homosexual transsexuals" and partly to the propagation of the rather derogatory stereotypes you refer to on the basis of a tiny and rather distinctly biased sample.

Bailey finds "About 60 percent of the homosexual [sic] transsexuals and drag queens we studied were Latina or black." If you looked at a support group I know of here in Seattle, you'd find mostly thirty- or forty-something white trans women, with young trans women such as myself, non-white trans people and trans men all being single digit minorities. If you sampled the conference that was in town last weekend, you'd find about 90% twenty-something white trans men. I could point to either of the samples I've mentioned and claim that shoplifting and prostitution are quite rare among trans people, regardless of gender or orientation, but I'd have no more justification for that claim than Bailey does for his. Surely one can't reasonably make claims about trans demographics or the frequency of behaviors such as shoplifting or prostitution from any of these samples.

Most strongly though, I object to the claim that the classification of trans women into two types, "homosexual [sic]" and autogynephilic is exhaustive, which is rendered unfalsifiable by the accusation that any trans woman who isn't exclusively androphilic and who denies being autogynephilic must be lying about it. According to this theory, I and most of the trans women I know either do not exist or are just making it up. Consider the set of rules for classifying trans women from Bailey's book:

I have devised a set of rules that should work even for the novice (though admittedly, I have not tested them). Start at zero. Ask each question, and if the answer is "Yes," add the number (+1 or -1) next to the question. If the sum gets to +3, stop; the transsexual you're talking to is autogynephiliac. If the sum gets to -3, she is homosexual.

Notice how you're supposed to stop as soon as you get to +3 or -3, rather than continuing to the end of the test, and all the autogynephilia questions come first, so the test has a built-in bias toward classifying people with traits from both groups as autogynephilic. Anyway, I'm going to see how I do on this test. To start off with, my score is 0:

+1 Have you ever been married to a woman?

No, I didn't even so much as have a first date until I was almost 21. Playing the male role in that context was extremely uncomfortable for me, and according to people who knew me then I was quite unconvincing at it. In any case, I was on the verge of coming out as trans less than a year into my one and only pre-transition relationship (with a bisexual cisgendered woman who was rather distinctly "butchier" than I've ever been), got scared and ran away from it for a few months, had a nervous breakdown because of it and came very close to suicide, and then came out and transitioned at age 22. My score is still 0.

+1 As a child, did people think you were about as masculine as other boys?

Some of my earliest memories include getting my mother to teach me how to apply lipstick at age 3 and pretending to be Penny from the Inspector Gadget cartoon at age 4. I didn't have much of a social life as a kid, but all of the early playmates I can recall were girls. I'd say that's a no. My score is still 0.

+1 Are you nearly attracted to women as to men? Or more attracted to women? Or equally uninterested in both? (Add 1 if "Yes to any of these.)

I'm lesbian-identified. Functional male genitals bother me almost as much on my partners as on myself, and I'm usually more attracted to feminine to androgynous personalities, but exceptions exist in both cases. My current primary partner is a trans woman, and she hadn't started hormones yet when we met, and I'm sometimes attracted to trans men. I suppose cisgendered men are the only partners I categorically rule out. That's a yes. My score is now +1.

+1 Were you over the age of 40 when you began to live full time as a woman?

No, I was 22. See my answer above. My score is still +1.

+1 Have you worn women's clothing in private, and, during at least three of those times, become so sexually aroused that you masturbated?

No. I have no history of fetishizing my own female identity either before or after transition. My score is still +1.

+1 Have you ever been in the military or worked as a policeman or truck driver, or been a computer programmers, businessman, lawyer, scientist, engineer or physician?

I'm a computer programmer. My score is now +2.

-1 Is you ideal partner a straight man?

No, I'm a lesbian. My score is still +2.

-1 As a child, did people think you were an unusually feminine boy?

Yes, see above. As far as I can tell, I was perceived as unusually feminine throughout my life before I transitioned. When I did, I found it quite a bit easier to pass as female than as male. At least two people I knew before transition had apparently thought I was biologically female and just dressing butch, and one other friend had once told me quite directly (about seven months before I came out), "I've figured out what's so weird about you. You're actually a lesbian." My score is now +1.

-1 Does this describe you: "I find the idea of having sex with men very sexually exciting, but the idea of having sex with women is not at all appealing?"

No, I'm lesbian-identified, and my sex drive seems to respond much more strongly to feeling connected to a specific individual than to broad categories like this. My score is still +1.

-1 Were you under the age of 25 when you began to live full time as a women?

Yes, I was 22. My score is now 0.

-1 Do you like to look at pictures of really muscular men with their shirts off?

No. I'm generally not physically attracted to men, and my sex drive doesn't respond very strongly to visual stimuli in any case. My score is still 0.

-1 Have you worked as a hairstylist, beautician, female impersonator, lingerie model, or prostitute?

No, my score is still 0.

Finally, if the person has been on hormones for at least six months, ask yourself this question:

If you didn't already know that this person was a transsexual, would you still have suspected that she was not a natural-born women?

+1 if you answer is "Yes" (if you would have suspected)
-1 if your answer is "No"

This one's rather hard to self-evaluate honestly, but then, it's also rather obviously bias-prone when evaluated by someone who already does know that the subject being evaluated is trans. I'll take the fact that, as far as I can tell, no one at work has any idea about me as evidence in favor of a no. My final score is now -1, and at no point did it ever reach +3 or -3, so it looks like Bailey's test fails to classify me as either "homosexual [sic]" or autogynephilic. I guess I just don't exist. Well, I suppose a lesbian I actually am a homosexual trans woman, but that's certainly not how Bailey meant it.

<sarcasm>Wait! I confess! I've been lying all along! I just pretend not to fetishize my own gender identity, but I secretly go home every night, dress up in fetish wear and lingerie and masturbate with the organs I only pretend to hate the sight of!</sarcasm>

That's what is really wrong with Bailey's theory; it fails to describe the experience of a large group of trans women, including myself and most of the other trans women I know, and covers for this failure by accusing us of lying and claiming that we're really just men with a weird fetish, thus invoking some very deep rooted negative cultural attitudes toward fetishism or any other non-heteronormative sexual behavior against us, while simultaneously denying the validity of our identity as women. This, coming in the context of a long, long history of gatekeeperism, presents a distinct threat of providing intellectual support for those who would disrespect our morphological freedom by denying us access to hormones and surgery, and also of encouraging cultural attitudes which undermine respect for our identities as women, which have the effect that in many social contexts only those of us who are lucky enough to pass flawlessly will be able to be widely accepted in a gender role that is comfortable for us.

Andrea

An inquiry into the “Queer

An inquiry into the “Queer Science” and history of the Bailey Controversy on behalf of the Organisation Intersex International
Edited by Curtis E. Hinkle

Background: Alice Dreger has written an article on the controversy that ensued after J Michael Bailey published a book on transsexualism and male femininity. Alice Dreger is a professor at the same university, Northwestern, which did an investigation that left still unresolved the charges that Anjelica Kieltyka and other women portrayed in the book brought against the author, also a professor at Northwestern University. I, Curtis E. Hinkle, have been working with Anjelica to reveal the truth and expose the obfuscation of facts and continued abuse and neglect of some very vulnerable women used as unprecedented case studies without their expressed informed consent. As a result, I have all the transcripts of Anjelica’s interviews with Dreger and all the documentation on Lynn Conway’s website, two of the main sources for Dreger’s article. After reading Dreger’s article, it is obvious that it is biased and not based on the actual documentation that she cites.

Academics who are interested in serious academic discourse and ethical treatment of vulnerable case studies and/or research subjects are negligent by not demanding serious questions concerning this unprecedented abuse which is once again being perpetrated against Anjelica and the other women in the book. If the academic community does not ask serious questions and demand high ethical standards of other academics, the damage that this will do to freedom of speech and ethics in academia could be irreparable.

To read the full report, cut and past the following address:

http://www.intersexualite.org/Dreger_Bailey.html

Yes, I encourage readers to

Yes, I encourage readers to judge for themselves what is false and what is true. One of my most serious concerns is Professor Bailey's insistence in his book that many transgendered people are best suited for work as prostitutes. I had hoped that in the past 3 years he might have had the opportunity to reconsider this, and so I asked him on the recent Kqed forum show whether he still believed this. He again insisted that this was true (which can be confirmed by listening to the I-Tunes podcast of this show). I was stunned at his failure to apologize or correct this claim. I focus on this example, because his insistence on transgendered people being especially suited to be prostitutes are so unfair and bigoted that it calls into question his judgements on pretty much everything else. This is an example of just one of the great "truths" that Bailey is pronouncing.

Here in the Bay Area there is an atmosphere of respect for different peoples including LGBT peoples. I have young incredibly (incredibly) talented undergraduate students, medical students, and postdoctoral fellows in my office nearly every week telling me of their fears that if they are open about who they are (gay or transgendered) that their careers will be harmed irreparably (none of them are prostitutes by the way). I wish that I did not have to spend so much time speaking out against bigotry, and could just focus on my research, but as long as there is a breath in my body, I will fight so that these young people will not have to be subjected to this sort of abuse and can have the same legal rights, respect and human dignity that are accorded to everyone else.

Ben Barres

Hi Ben, I think we all agree

Hi Ben,

I think we all agree that discrimination is a bad thing and it's terrific that you fight for tolerance but what about the science aspects of this?

As a layman, I get that psychology is a work in progress, but so is biology. We've mapped the entire genome and no one can pinpoint what makes a person's eyes blue, for example. So we have to give the field of psychology some credit for trying to map a lot of unknown territory.

"X is wrong therefore all of it is wrong" isn't very good logic, I think. I am inclined to assume most people, you, me, Bailey, Seth, Joan, etc. are not bigots if we take an unpopular stance based on data we might believe. That's the essence of science integrity, really.

So if the data is wrong ( I have no way to know - though every one of us took a personality survey when we were kids and it told us what career would be best and none of the choices were 'prostitute') does it mean the entire book is wrong?

Dear Hank, There is no

Dear Hank,
There is no peer-reviewed data or science that shows that transgendered people are especially suited to be prostitutes or are more likely to be shop lifters than the general population.
It is often difficult for advantaged people who are not the recipient of such slurs as occur throughout Bailey's book to appreciate how threatening and false they are. The only reason he can get away with some of them is because transgendered people are so oppressed.
Let's take his claim that many transgendered people are especially suited to be prostitutes. His logic was clearly stated on the Kqed Forum show:

Men and gay men really enjoy sex.
Transsexuals are like gay men.
Therefore transsexuals are especially suited to be
prostitutes.

What? What does enjoying sex have to do with being a prostitute???
If men have lots of sex that makes them real males, whereas when women like sex they are sluts. If that's not offensive, I don't know what is.

Here are some of the reasons why calling transgendered people especially suited to be prostitutes is bigoted and so deeply offensive to transgendered people:

1) Because it is totally false.
2) Because there is no worse slur used to insult people.
3) Because women or transgendered women who enjoy sex are labeled as sluts, whereas men and gay men are not.
4) Because it implies that the motivation for sex change has to do with sex desires rather than gender identity.
5) Because the view that prostitutes especially like sex serves the fantasy need of the John's who exploit them.
6) Because as a result of their oppression, transgendered people have often been forced to survive by prostitution.
7) Because by defaming transgendered people like this, it sustains their oppression.
8) Because there is a history of calling other oppressed people by the same or similar slurs.
9) Gay and transgenderd people that are forced into prostitution to survive have very high rates of HIV infection and mortality.
10) Because it is totally false.

You cannot characterize a group of people as especially suited to be prostitutes (however you qualify it, e.g.compared to women) and expect not to be treated as a plain old fashioned bigot. All I really was doing on the Kqed show was giving him the chance to make a simple apology. I was stunned that he failed to do so.

When professors categorize whole groups of people as especially suited to be prostitutes under the guise of high quality science, this is not responsible free speech as it powerfully further oppresses these people.

It's always people in the advantaged groups who defend bigotry, which maintains their priviledges at the expense of others.

Ben Barres

Ben Barres lies

Ben Barres lies again.

Ben--

All of your deceptive claims about Bailey's ideas and statements make one thing perfectly clear to me: Everyone needs to read Bailey's book if they want to know what it says. You are not a trustworthy source. The book can be ordered or downloaded from links on Michael Bailey's web page here:

http://www.psych.northwestern.edu/psych/people/faculty/bailey/book.html

Also available on that page is a link to Bailey's discussion of the so-called "controversy" about his book (is it a controversy if many of those partaking in it are lying?).

Michael B. Miller, PhD, MS, MPE
University of Minnesota

Hmm Look at it from another

Hmm

Look at it from another viewpoint.

If someone went to a bar near the University of Minnesota, studied the racial characteristics and sexual attractiveness of the students, asked lots of questions about thier sex lives, had a few conversations over a few drinks, and then said "Students at the University of Minnesota are especially suited to or for prostitution". In a book which is described as science and then popular science when the "Science" tag is challeneged.

What would you think?

And if as a Professor at that university you said:

"This is wrong" and you were branded a liar because of saying that.

You would be justifyably upset.

Not only that I was recentley led to believe that calling someone a liar was "anathema to scientific inquiry."

Whatever work Professor Bailey has put into TMWWBQ. It seems to have been undermined from the very beginning. I am sad to say this but by Professor Bailey's approach to the subject.

Sophia-- You seem to believe

Sophia--

You seem to believe that Bailey developed his ideas by hanging out in bars. Instead, he spent many years studying human sexuality, reading the scientific literature, doing research of his own and writing books and papers. The book now under discussion reviews a lot of scientific literature, and the major theory under contention here, that there are two types of transgendered women — "homosexual transsexuals" and "autogynephilic transsexuals" — was developed by a researcher named Ray Blanchard who used an unbiased sample. Read about Blanchard's sampling here:

http://www.psych.northwestern.edu/psych/people/faculty/bailey/controversy.htm#ideas
http://www.psych.northwestern.edu/psych/people/faculty/bailey/sampling.htm

I hope that you will read Michael Bailey's book, which is available here:

http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=10530

With a few rare, but extremely vocal, exceptions, the book was very highly regarded by reviewers writing for GLBT publications (see my earlier post), and it was even nominated for the prestigious GLBT Lambda Literary Award!

Michael B. Miller, PhD, MS, MPE
University of Minnesota

Hello Michael "You seem to

Hello Michael

"You seem to believe that Bailey developed his ideas by hanging out in bars."

Which illustrates my point. That is the impression one gets. That is Professor Bailey's style of writing.

On the issue of Transsexualism, it is not my area of expertise. I am not sure if a taxonomy I am already familliar with was also the work of Blanchard, that is the two categories being "Primary" and "Secondary". (Feel free to correct me on that).

What I find difficult to understand is why Professor Bailey used "Homosexual Transsexual" and "Autogynehilic" (Presumably assigning sexual motivation to these categories)and when his critics so angrily objected. He suggested that they were somehow "Self Deluded".

So his critics shout at him even more. Then there are debates about specific passages in the text. Such as the one that is being mentioned often here about prostitution.

And then even more fury ensues.

It is six of one half dozen of the other isn't it Michael?
I thought this "dabate" had finished 3 years ago but no it continues.

"With a few rare, but extremely vocal, exceptions, the book was very highly regarded by reviewers writing for GLBT publications (see my earlier post), and it was even nominated for the prestigious GLBT Lambda Literary Award!"

Fine, but the question is why was the reaction against the book so severe? And why does Professor Bailey seem ambivalent about it (The Reaction that is)?

Because the "controversy" helps sales? I would probably have heard of the book but not read it were it not for the "controversy". To a hardened cynic like me that is how it looks.

However I think in the long term this will damage both his reputation and that of some of his critics. I happen to believe this is unfortunate.

Professor Bailey is quite content to provoke people and then cries foul when people shout at him. But he knew that would happen, probably not with the level of ferocity that it did. But even Dr. Alice Dreger points out that he was aware that TMWWBQ was going to provoke people.

I am not going to go into precice details or talk of the individual issues people have mentioned. (There is too much rumor flying around anyway).

What is it about Professor Bailey that makes him feel the need to be so provocative? Is it the money, or does he really have some conviction about the "truth" If so what is his conviction?

That is the part I am curious about.

I don't know what Bailey

I don't know what Bailey would say, but I see provocation as essential to the maintenance of freedom of thought within science and that freedom is, in turn, necessary if major scientific progress is to be made. We can't allow any group of people to dictate which theories can be discussed, no matter how honorable their intentions might be. Darwin and Galileo were provocative, so were Gandhi and Martin Luther King. Why shouldn't a scientist of our time, who grew up with such people as role models, want to be provocative just as they were provocative? We know that provocateurs suffer the wrath of their opponents — Darwin was incessantly lampooned, Galileo was imprisoned, and both Gandhi and King were assassinated — and their opponents were self-righteous, confident defenders of a faith or way of life. Yet we believe that the provocateurs were right and that our society advanced scientifically and socially when we were finally able to hear and accept their messages. We also believe that the moral outrage coming from their opponents was misguided and quite embarrassing in retrospect.

No matter how things appear at first, the way to decide which side is right is through a careful analysis of the facts of the matter. Alice Dreger's recent paper is an excellent first step in the right direction.

Michael B. Miller, PhD, MS, MPE
University of Minnesota

Hello Michael "I don't know

Hello Michael

"I don't know what Bailey would say, but I see provocation as essential to the maintenance of freedom of thought within science and that freedom is, in turn, necessary if major scientific progress is to be made."

Believe it or not I agree with you. I am myself known to be a bit provocative.

"We can't allow any group of people to dictate which theories can be discussed, no matter how honorable their intentions might be."

Indeed. it is when it appears that the theory cannot be questioned it becomes a problem. I mean it is clearly obvious that not everyone agrees with the model Professor Bailey is presenting, there are alternative models out there. Swaab's BSTc theory is one example.

I have not however seen Swaab write books that present it as popular science, and making that more controversial than it need be. I suppose I can see the paralel with Galilaeo's:

Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems

In terms of provoking the establishment. While Galilaeo was a bit annoying to Pope Urban VIII, portraying the Pope as a fool. Galilaeo didn't describe the Pope as a fool to prove the pope was a fool, he wrote it to illustrate, via a semi ficional debate to advocate the Copernican viewpoint.

As for Blanchard (Bailey's Copernicus if you like) while something resembling Blanchards ideas are from what I understand already part of the practice at Gender Idenity Clinics. This sexual motivation bit is yet to be proven.
But proven or unproven the sexual motivation bit is presented in an accusational way.

But the sexual motivation bit, it has to be proven, and repeatable. How about people discuss that rather than attacking each other.

Thankyou for explaining as best you can why there is a provocative side Professor Bailey's writings.

I maintain that there is a

I maintain that there is a difference between responsible free speech and irresponsible free speech. Irresponsible free speech certainly occurs when totally unsubstantiated claims are made by a professor (or other person in position of authority or influence) that seriously threaten the welfare of a whole group of oppressed people targetted by those false claims (such as that they are more likely to be shop lifters or especially suited to be prostitutes). It is patently absurd to compare the quality of Bailey's science and "truths" to those of Galileo or his compassion and sensitivity to the welfare of others to Marthin Luther King.

I also maintain that there are times when it is appropriate and responsible for appropriate authorities to be contacted--and that this was one of those times. Even though one of the subjects in the book provided a written statement alleging that Dr. Bailey had slept with her, Dr. Miller somehow feels it was inappropriate for concerns about this (and lack of informed consent and his licensing status) to be brought to his administration. Should not the welfare of patients and research subjects be put ahead of that of those who are caring for them and studying them? It is not Lynn Conway or others fault that Dr. Bailey claimed on his book jacket cover and within his book that he was doing research on his subjects. I believe that the Northwestern University acted responsibly to fairly and promptly investigate these concerns, although their determinations and recommendations were kept confidential.

There are many important issues raised by this whole affair which require much more future discussion, hopefully without everyone visciously calling each other liars:

What is the responsibility of a psychologist to his subjects, whether he is doing research on them, interviewing them for a book, or making recommendations for their medical treatment? When is informed consent necessary? Is it ever appropriate (as opposed to legal) for a psychologist to sleep with such subjects? What responsibility does a scientist have the consequences of his research results and, when they are obviously harmful to a whole group of people, does he have the responsibility to meet a high quality of proof before he publishes them? Also, Dr. Bailey was writing recommendations to physicians for some of his subjects for sex change treatment. What is the appropriate level of training that should be required for a psychologist to do this? Although I fully believe in the right of adults to change their sex if that is their wish, it is crucial that the ocassional person with a serious underlying psychopathology such as schizophrenia be first treated for that illness before any decisions about sex change can be responsibly made. Speaking as a physician, I strongly question whether someone who is not a psychiatrist or a licensed clinical psychologist should be writing such letters no matter how well meaning their intentions.

Ben Barres

Hello Ben "It is patently

Hello Ben

"It is patently absurd to compare the quality of Bailey's science and "truths" to those of Galileo or his compassion and sensitivity to the welfare of others to Marthin Luther King."

Well to be fair, I did point out that Galilaeo went to prove the compernican viewpoint not that the pope was a fool

As for Baliey and Blanchard's model, I think it needs to be assesed entirely on it's own merits. I do think attributing sexual motivation alone to transsexualism is too arbitrary, and probably incorrect, but this is my opinion.

I think this is the important point. I mean yes if that view became accepted it would certainly make life difficult for transsexual folks. I think the mistake Professor Bailey is making (Aside from Dropping gaffes all over the place) is that he considers much of the opposition to the model he describes as being motivated by people wanting to ensure some "Sexual motivation secret" is never mentioned.

I am not enirely conviced by that. I think Swaab's model makes more sense to the way I understand it (Which is limited I admit).

By the same token I think the mistake of those who are obviously very hostile to Bailey's views. Are probably motivated by his persistent gaffe dropping. I am sorry I have noticed that Bailey is the object of visceral hatred.

I took the time to read some of Blanchard's ideas and felt he tends to associate unlike with unlike with sexual motivation as the "common denomiator".

I think Blanchards ideas are too generalised to work. I also belive there are inherent risks in one size fits all theories. especially theories that do assume certain psychosexual attributes to an individual. If someone has a dissocaitve problem with say being reffered to as a male as in "homosexual" (Implying male) Lets say "Autandrohobia". then I think "Homosexual transsexual" and "Autogynephilia" clearly do not apply.

I will be truthful though, it is something I need to read up on a bit more. It is not my area of study. I am a bio-informatics developer/geneticist by training.

Ben, if you don't want to be

Ben, if you don't want to be called a liar, don't lie. You are a professor, and you do research work, so I have to assume that you know the difference between a research subject and the subject of a vignette in a trade book. Your latest message conflates the two senses of "subject" in an obvious attempt to confuse the reader and to make Bailey out to be unethical. You don't want to be called a liar, so I will call you a mendacious, prevaricating dissembler. Is that better?

Regarding the charge that he had sex with one of the transgendered women he wrote about in the book: (1) he claims that he did not have sex with her, (2) he can prove that he was not in the same city as her on the day that she claims he had sex with her, and though he did not have sex with her it is worth noting that (3) it is not considered wrong or even ethically questionable to have sex with a transgendered woman and (4) it is not considered wrong or ethically questionable to write a vignette in a trade book about someone you have had sex with, and while remembering that this woman was not a research subject we should also note that (5) it is not ethically wrong under most conditions to have sex with someone who was, or will become, a research subject. Thus, you are falsely accusing Bailey of doing something that wouldn't have been wrong if he had done it.

You also know that every research subject who ever participated in a study with Michael Bailey was given an appropriate informed consent agreement. You also know that the women in the vignettes in his book were not research subjects and you know that they saw what he was writing about them in advance and they approved of it before it was published. In other words, he did nothing wrong in terms of human subject regulations and informed consent.

It is disturbing to see you writing such things about Bailey when you know that most people don't know the distinction between a research subject and the subject of a vignette. You know that people don't know the rules, but you know the rules and you have a responsibility to present facts in a clear way, especially when accusing someone of misconduct. Your writings on this forum are a form of misconduct and I think what you wrote above is deplorable.

Finally, if you have a concern about who should be allowed to write letters for transgendered people, and you wish to limit the options for transgendered people, adding to their costs, feel free to write to the appropriate governing agencies — it isn't Michael Bailey's fault that people came to him for help, and it wasn't wrong of him to help them by writing supportive letters for them. He wasn't a licensed practitioner of clinical psychology but he was Chairman of the Department of Psychology and a full professor in Clinical Psychology at one of the nation's top clinical psychology programs. Having known many practicing psychologists, I find it very hard to believe that even 10% of them would be as capable as Michael Bailey at assessing psychopathology and suitability for sex-reassignment surgery. Think about that before you act to take away yet another option for people struggling with the costs associated with their struggle for change.

Michael B. Miller, PhD, MS, MPE
University of Minnesota

To correct all the

To correct all the misinformation in this latest message from mbmiller, as is well documented on this blog, all I have done is to use my free speech rights to express concerns about the mischaracterizations of transgendered people in Bailey's book. I have never once accused Bailey of any of these things you are now claiming. However, as I have said, it would appear to me that many of the concerns that were raised by others were in fact reasonable concerns to raise given that Bailey himself claimed to be doing research on these people in his book and book jacket cover.

However, to the general point about when it is ok for any psychologist to sleep with transgendered folks he is writing about or who have or may depend upon him for a sex change letter in the future, I think it is obvious that this would be inappropriate behavior.

You are now saying that you

You are now saying that you didn't write what you just wrote only a few lines above. It's gotten surreal and it isn't worth my time anymore. The people who think that it isn't productive to call someone a liar should tell me what they would do about someone who lies incessantly. Barres also claims that he is unable to remember things — all sorts of things actually, whatever is convenient for him. I hereby nominate Barres for the first annual Alberto González Convenient Memory Award.

Of course, as expected, what he has written in his post above "To correct all the" of 8 Sept 2007, 8:32 pm, is also entirely false and misleading. I don't think he got through a single post without at least one major distortion of reality.

Some of you are here to persuade readers, lying when you think it will be helpful to do so. That is not my purpose. Others might be here to learn, but they have come to the wrong place. They should stick to Dreger's paper:

http://www.bioethics.northwestern.edu/faculty/work/dreger/controversy_tmwwbq.pdf

If Barres, Conway, Roughgarden and others would write a paper about their concerns for an academic journal, that could be helpful because any decent editor would force them to cite page numbers, use quotes, etc.

Michael B. Miller, PhD, MS, MPE
University of Minnesota

I believe if you call him a

I believe if you call him a liar three more times, you might finally reach the post-modernist threshold wherein reality is warped to your perceptions and calling someone a liar makes it so. Seriously, I understand. Since you have nothing of substance to offer in rebuttal, I guess you're just stuck with the "Liar!" bit. You really need to find some material tho (like say, giving an example of exactly what Barres is supposed to be doing all the lying about, and if all you've got is the "best suited" vs. "especially well suited" schtick, you might as well pack up and go home now), even the funniest broken record gets annoying after the first couple skips.

It's weird, if I didn't know any better I'd almost think... wait a minute, are you really some kind of plant out to make Bailey look stupid? If you are, sorry if I just blew your cover, and I salute you. If you're actually serious, then good lord, get some help you sick little monkey.

Gee, you are not much fun to

Gee, you are not much fun to talk to Dr. Miller
(in reference to your message of 9 Sept 2:12 AM),

As you have now referred people to Alice Dreger's paper 5 times, I think it is important to point out that the problem I see with her paper is that it is a remarkably one-sided unbalanced account. I say that because she seems to have missed that the Bailey book was one of the most insensitive, misleading, sensationalist, and humiliating accounts of transgendered people ever written. It completely denied transgendered people respect and human dignity.

Although nearly all transsexuals feel strongly that their inborn gender identities do not match their anatomic sex, on the basis of a few anecdotal accounts Prof. Bailey writes in his book that they instead choose to change sex for sexual reasons, and that many are low socioeconomic liars especially suited for work in the sex trades. His comments are not only deeply hurtful, but fly in the face of common sense and much other data. For instance, as already pointed out on this blog, most transgendered people have deep feelings of gender dysphoria that compell them to change sex even as children, long before they have any libido whatsoever.

Bailey's book wrongly promotes hateful stereotypes about transgendered people, contributing to a climate where transsexuals are abandoned, shunned, and beaten. A transgendered person wrote in on this blog to say that she was thrown out of the house by her parents after they read the Bailey book. This is hate. In his defense Bailey states that "he will not be a slave to sensitivity" and "is more concerned with science and truth than the feelings of groups". Are we really supposed to infer from this that he is sympathetic to us? Can you see where a reasonable person might wonder about the nature of Bailey's judgement and conscience?

The transgendered community is small and we have few defenders. We are still denied many basic rights. As a result of ostracization by the medical community, there has been little high quality research done and we have been left to the mercy of dubiously qualified others.

At some point even the most oppressed of all people have had enough. That moment came with the publication of Bailey's book. That is what Dreger missed in her paper. Transgendered people have had enough of this kind of treatment. You can beat us, abuse us, take away our rights, forbid us to marry, subject us to health and employement discrimination, but when you start saying that we are more likely to be criminals (shop lifters) and whores (especially suited to work in the sex trades), we have had enough.

In terms of the memory issue you are raising in your message, I believe you are referring to a recent conversation between Dr. Dreger and myself in which I expressed my concerns about Bailey's book and her unbalanced coverage of it. Alas, I confused the real name and fake names used in the books in one of my comments, which lead her to insist that I did not read her paper. Nothing could be further from the truth. I also did not yield to her aggressive demand that I invite her to Stanford to give a talk (our ideas of scholarship are different). In response to the concerns I raised, although I was at all times polite to her as I have been to you on this blog, I was then subject to a highly aggressive, deeply offensive personal attack from her in which I was once again repeatedly and called a liar.

Another odd thing that I would like to point out, is that although Dreger's paper has not yet been published by the Archives of Sex Behavior, she has already published it on her own web site. That is unusual because most journals would consider that as published elsewhere and would refuse to republish the paper. It is also unfair, because those of us who have written counterpoint responses have not been allowed to pre-publish their own commentaries. This is not fair play. It is also not fairplay that the journal has announced that Dreger will be allowed to write a 2nd response in that same issue to all of the other commentaries. She got to say her point of view, others get to say theirs. That should be it, and she should not get to respond yet again, as would be the policy at most other journals. What I think would be highly appropriate is for the ASB journal to instead call upon a neutral, senior 3rd party in the field who is well respected and not attached to any point of view, to write a final commentary about the situation that would conclude with recommendations for the way forward.

It is ashame that Dr. Bailey's book has so antagonized and inflamed the transgender community that many of us will be unwilling to participate in research studies performed by psychologists in the future unless standards are defined that we can all respect going forward.

By the way, I don't know why you say that Harry Potter picture of me is 20 years. I am quite fond of it, as my students gave it to me, but that was only about 5 years ago.

Ben Barres

Ben Barres is a

Ben Barres is a self-righteous liar. He knows that Bailey has not claimed that anyone is "best suited for work as prostitutes," yet he repeats that false claim above. I know that Barres knows that his claim is false because he was forced to admit it on the KQED radio show. Michael Bailey was on that show and he corrected Barres emphatically and directly: Bailey said that he does not believe nor has he ever claimed that anyone is "best suited" for work in prostitution. Bailey made no such claim in his book. The exchange during the radio program should have been embarrassing for Barres, but some people have no shame.

Barres obviously does not want the world to know the truth about Bailey's book and Barres himself may wish to avoid reality. Consider that he uses a 20-year-old photograph of himself on his web page and actually seems to view himself as some sort of Harry Potter wizard boy:

http://med.stanford.edu/profiles/Ben_Barres/
http://images.google.com/images?q=ben%20barres

This man wants to be taken seriously? To make Michael Bailey look bad took a coordinated team of scheming liars working for months. To make Ben Barres look bad, all you have to do is tell the truth.

Michael B. Miller, PhD, MS, MPE
University of Minnesota

Dear Dr. Miller, My

Dear Dr. Miller,
My apologies. I inadvertantly said that Bailey has said that many transgendered people are best suited to be prostitutes when in fact he said instead that many transgendered people are especially suited to be prostitutes. I don't see much difference, but except for my one slip above I have been careful to quote Dr. Bailey accurately. Regardless of what names you wish to call me, my point remains the same, however.
Ben Barres

Please, Ben! That was

Please, Ben!

That was "inadvertent"? That is possible if you have Alzheimer disease or some other kind of brain disease or mental disorder, but it is hard to believe given your position as Professor at Stanford University. I think you are trying to cover your first lie with an additional lie and you will continue in this vein ad nauseum. I note your lack of quotation marks in your reply, the absence of page numbers, and I conclude that either you don't know what the book says, or you don't want anyone to find out. For those readers who haven't kept abreast of your coordinated defamation campaign, I'll explain this a little further.

The KQED radio show featuring Bailey and Dreger with you as a quite disingenuous call-in guest can be heard here. I say that you were disingenuous because you merely introduced yourself by name and job title and without telling the listeners that you had been harrassing Bailey for years. You wrote a letter to his administration falsely accusing him of "hate speech" because of his book (a very thoughtful and sensitive book which was widely enjoyed by many gay, lesbian and transgendered people leading to its being nominated for a Lambda Award). But I guess that you didn't want the listeners to know your history as a defamation worker because you could deceive your audience more thoroughly by pretending to be an ordinary caller.

Alice Dreger put transcript of the radio show here and I have copied some of it below:

Bailey: OK, the idea is that the other kind of transsexual, which Blanchard calls a homosexual male-to-female transsexual, meaning they're homosexual with respect to their birth sex, that is, they like men, is a type of, if you will, very feminine gay man, who decides for various reasons that he would be more happy living his life—"his," meaning before transition—as a woman. I think that men in general, including heterosexual men, including homosexual men, even including very feminine homosexual men, have a greater propensity to enjoy casual sex than women do. If this is a news flash, you all need to get out more. And homosexual male-to-female transsexuals for whatever reason tend to be male-typical in that respect.

Krasny: And you find that offensive, Ben?

Ben: I don't think he's answered my question. Does he think that some transgendered people are best suited for work as prostitutes in the sex trades? Yes or no?

Bailey: That’s typical of Professor Barres'...

Ben: I'm quoting your book.

Bailey: I say "they’re best suited"? Is that a quote?

Ben: Your book is very clear on that.

Bailey: Does it say the words "best suited"? Does it say the words "best suited"? If not, I think that you are—

Ben: Just answer my question, whatever your book says. Do you feel that transgendered people, some of them, are best suited for work as prostitutes?

Bailey: I never said "best suited." And I...

Ben: Just answer the question, do you feel so or not?

Bailey: I don’t say "best suited" and I don’t think they are best suited.

Krasny: I think you answered the question.

Bailey: They’re better suited than genetic women are.

Roughgarden: He says "especially suited."

Krasny: You say "especially suited," you have that there, the quote?

Roughgarden: I have the quote, yes. "...transsexuals might be especially suited to prostitution."

Krasny: Professor Bailey?

Bailey: Well, I think that reflects what I just said, especially compared with genetic women. That's not "best suited," like that’s the best thing they could ever do.

Is it really even conceivable that you do not remember this after only two weeks? We are to believe that this radio show was so far behind you that you "inadvertently" repeated your mistake today? I think it is inconceivable. You have proved to me repeatedly that you don't care about the truth. Your goal is defamation of Bailey and the suppression of his ideas.

Perhaps you feel that you are serving a higher purpose turning public opinion against Bailey and his work. Maybe you think that in doing so you will save transgendered people from "oppression" (your word). I strongly disagree with you. Can you find an example in the history of science where the truth was suppressed and it turned out to have been a good thing? Instead of lying and defaming I think you should be trying to find ways that research findings about autogynephilia can be used to make people's lives better. Suppression of facts, even seemingly unpleasant facts, will ultimately cause more harm than it prevents.

Michael B. Miller, PhD, MS, MPE
University of Minnesota

Dear Dr. Miller, To

Dear Dr. Miller,
To clarify, I do remember and that is why I have been using the word "especially" in this context ever since (with the exception of the one slip, which you pointed out and I immediately apologized for and corrected). Thank you very much for posting the dialogue so that others can see the confirmation of exactly what Dr. Bailey has said on this issue. I think that the dialogue you posted helps makes it very clear exactly who is being defamed. Transgendered people are not especially suited to be prostitutes in any context.
Ben Barres

Mike Bailey has studied

Mike Bailey has studied transgendered prostitutes and I have to think that he knows something about their lives, attitudes, etc. I'm not sure that you know anything about them, but maybe you do. So far on this forum you have only pontificated and have not cited a single study to back yourself up. Luckily we do have Michael Bailey's book, which does cite many studies for people who are interested in more than mere opinions and impressions:

http://www.psych.northwestern.edu/psych/people/faculty/bailey/book.html

I think you should read the book again. You wrote "Transgendered people are not especially suited to be prostitutes in any context," but Bailey is not talking about transgendered people in general, only certain feminine homosexual men who transition to being women. By "especially" he meant more so than women. Bailey has an explanation for the high rate of prostitution and sex work among those transgendered women. You have a different explanation. If you have some data, please share it.

Michael B. Miller, PhD, MS, MPE
University of Minnesota

Dear Dr. Miller, I have an

Dear Dr. Miller,
I have an explanation for the high rate of prostitution