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By Gerhard Adam | July 2nd 2009 02:29 PM | 10 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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I watched a television program the other night called the "Power of Genetics".  Although it was obviously a few years old, just listening to it set my spider senses to tingling.

There was the talk about cloning (animals and people), the gene therapies for comestic purposes (baldness), genetic engineering, human immortality, and, of course, the obligatory scientist-CEO with the thinly-veiled hope that they would soon be filthy rich running a bio-tech firm.

I'm not sure I understand the almost giddy attitude amongst these scientist/researchers regarding the patenting of animals and genetic products.  While I can certainly appreciate the import of the knowledge being gained .... why do I feel like I'm in the presence of hundreds of Dr. Frankensteins?

Is it just me, or are these people whackos? 

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LauraHult's picture
What's the saying...?  "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should", or some derivative thereof.

Gene therapy for afflictions such as Tay Sachs, schizophrenia, and a host of other conditions - I'm all for it.  But if you were born with blue eyes and want green ones, get contacts.

A warning from Newton seems in order for these scientists bent on changing the world as we know it:  "For every action, there is an equal but opposite reaction".  Monsanto in particular may take note, for blithely altering vegetable crops will at some point backfire.  Sure, everyone will have to buy seed from Monsanto and they will get stinking rich, but what if growing conditions change even slightly?  What if a new pest or disease strikes to which the plant no longer has an immunity to?

One only has to look to the Galapagos finches for an answer. 

Gerhard Adam's picture
Monsanto in particular may take note, for blithely altering vegetable crops will at some point backfire. 

That's exactly my concern.  Since natural selection is not just based on genetic mutations, but recombination and genetic drift, one has to question just how anyone proposes to stop these effects from affecting the genetically altered (new baseline) organisms.   It seems as if these scientists have wandered straight into a conflict of interest, whereby they realize the commercial potential for the items they were getting government money, originally, to research.

Given that there are enough difficulties with science and the general public (i.e. evolution, vaccines/autism), does it really strike anyone as a good idea to have geneticists advocating for the very technology they're counting on to become wealthy? ... Talk about a credibilty gap.


LauraHult's picture
Given that there are enough difficulties with science and the general
public (i.e. evolution, vaccines/autism), does it really strike anyone
as a good idea to have geneticists advocating for the very technology
they're counting on to become wealthy? ... Talk about a credibilty gap.


Kinda like the pusher on the street, eh?  :)  Where, oh where, have our standards gone?

Since natural selection is not just based on genetic mutations, but
recombination and genetic drift, one has to question just how anyone
proposes to stop these effects from affecting the genetically altered
(new baseline) organisms.


Monsanto has, I think, already altered some crops to the point that their seeds are no longer viable.  I suppose the scientists have sold this to corporate as the way to stop mutations and drift.  Heck of a way to do it, though.  Trouble is, we can no more predict what's going to happen tomorrow, much less next season - just ask the CDC about that one.

Gerhard Adam's picture
What amazes me, is that this planet has all the resources needed for all the organisms on it.  For billions of years, organisms have managed to live, die,  thrive, go extinct.  But only human beings are stupid enough to create a society where in the midst of plenty, people can manage to starve, or be unable to afford to live.

This is another step down that road.  Today one can breed a cow for free (other than the cost of the cow).  In 10 years, you'll need a license to breed a patented cow because natural cows will have been determined to be unhealthy.

LauraHult's picture
This may seem tangential, but bear with me.

A long, long time ago, at the tender age of 17, I had the good fortune to be hired as an apprentice pharmacist at a local non-chain drugstore.  My pharmacist supervisor, Les, was a grizzled older Navy guy who had served in WWII and had very definite ideas about darned near everything.

Les taught me how to read scripts, call doctors for clarification, type labels one-handed, count pills, and deal with customers, all while watching the store for shoplifters.  I loved working with him, and fairly flew to the counter every time a customer came in the door...until one day when a middle aged man came in the door.  Les looked up from his work, recognized the man, and told me he would "get this one".  Puzzled, and thinking I had perhaps done something wrong, I resumed filling prescriptions. 

Les pulled a paper bag from under the counter, and vanished into the back room.  A few moments later, he reappeared with the now occupied bag and took a sum of money from the man.  The two men smiled cordially at each other and shook hands before leaving the counter.  Les saw the quizzical look on my face but said only that it was "none of your business, little girl".  I was outraged, but held my tongue.

Later, when Les went on a break, I crept into the back room to figure out what the man had wanted.  The only things small enough to fit in that paper bag were a small stack of unfamiliar little brown and grey boxes on a shelf near the rear of the room.  I heard Les returning, and scampered out of the room.

The next day, I related the story to our other pharmacist, a younger man with a good sense of humor.  Jerry started laughing and took me to the back room.  "Les just didn't want to embarrass you or the customer", he said.  I got my introduction to the notion of birth control in that unique moment.  Condoms!  Who would have thought!  (I had a very sheltered childhood)

On another occasion, an unkempt older man came in and asked for a bottle of cough syrup.  Les got it for him, and had the man sign a registry of sorts.  The man took the bottle, stepped outside, sat down on the curb and proceeded to drink the entire bottle.  I was horrified and hollered for Les.

Les closed his eyes and sighed.  He took me by the shoulder and guided me back to the pharmacy.  "Little girl" he warned, "don't ever get yourself messed up on anything like that!  You'll lose everything that means anything!"  It was my first exposure to the ravages of drug abuse - in this instance, Terpin hydrate with codeine.

I mention all this because of one thing that has gone by the wayside - apprenticeships.  Les not only taught me the specifics of my job, but also gave good lessons in morality and ethics.  Lessons that have stuck with me all these years.  What we have in its place are institutions of higher education where students remember things long enough to pass the next test.  Few if any values are passed on, and no one hears the phrase "Just because you can, doesn't mean you should".

The folks at Monsanto need apprenticeships.

Gerhard Adam's picture
What a great post.  I agree ... apprenticeships or mentoring.  In today's world, everyone's so worried about just keeping a job, they have little time for actually learning how to do it.

logicman's picture
I have a thought.  If commercial interests can patent bits of genetic code, can I patent bits of phonetic code?  Hah!  You just said "prrrfffft!".  That'll be 10,000 dollars, please.
But patents on words
would take more bottle
than patents on herds
of axolotl.

"The World is what we make it and to the making of it each one of us
can contribute something. This thought makes hope possible: and in this
hope, though life will still be painful, it will be no longer
purposeless." - Bertrand Russell from "A philosophy for you in these
times." 1941

LauraHult's picture
"...though life will still be painful, it will be no longer purposeless."


Excellent words, and although I haven't yet tackled Gerhard's post on another thread, this is the essence of what I wanted to say.


Gerhard Adam's picture
I suspect that's part of our problem though.  In an effort to create a "purpose", we are in the unfortunate situation of not knowing what we're doing.

Like the old joke

"I've got some good news and some bad news"
"The bad news is we are hopelessly lost"
"The good news is that we're making excellent time"


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