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By Michael White | June 23rd 2009 10:38 PM | 17 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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About Michael White

Welcome to Adaptive Complexity, where I write about genomics, systems biology, evolution, and the connection between science and literature, government, and society.

I'm a biochemist


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Ken Miller vs. Jerry Coyne: Can you believe in God and evolution? Many creationists say no. But so does Jerry Coyne, as well as a fair number of other non-believing scientists active in the blogosphere. If you follow the science blogging community, you've probably tuned in to, or at least overhead snippets of, the debate between the believing Ken Miller, and the non-believer Jerry Coyne. Both are well-regarded scientists, with impressive research track records, and both are very outspoken opponents of creationism and intelligent design, as well as defenders of evolution. Both have written recent books defending evolution: Miller's Only a Theory: Evolution and the Battle for America's Soul, and Coyne's Why Evolution Is True.

(You can read my take on these books: Miller's, and Coyne's).

The heart of the issue is this: do you have to twist the science in order to fit both Christianity and evolution into your beliefs? Coyne says yes, Miller says no. One of Miller's offending statements, where he supposedly manipulates science to fit his theology is this:

What bugs [people opposed to evolution] is that evolution carries with it a message they just don’t want to hear. That message is that we not only live in a natural world, but we are part of it, we emerged from it. Or more accurately, we emerged with it.

To them, that means we are just animals. Our lives are an accident, and our existence is without purpose, meaning or value.

My concern for those who hold that view isn’t just that they are wrong on science, wrong about the nature of the evidence, and mistaken on a fundamental point of biology. It’s that they are missing something grand and beautiful and personally enriching.

Evolution isn’t just a take-it-or-leave-it story about where we came from. It’s an epic at the centre of life itself. It tells us we are part of nature in every respect. Far from robbing our lives of meaning, it instils an appreciation for the beautiful, enduring, and ultimately triumphant phenomenon of life.

Seen in this light, the human presence is not a mistake of nature or a random accident, but a direct consequence of the characteristics of the universe. What evolution tells us is that we are part of a grand, dynamic, and ever-changing fabric of life that covers our planet. Even to a person of faith, in fact especially to a person of faith, an understanding of the evolutionary process should only deepen their appreciation of the scope and wisdom of the creator’s work.

To Coyne, this is slipping religion into science:

To say that our lives are anything other than an accident (including, of course, the accidents of meiosis and of which sperm makes it to the egg), buys into the idea — one that Miller has promulgated –that the appearance of humans or something like us was inevitable.   Indeed, he explicitly stresses this inevitability when he says our lives are “a direct consequence of the characteristics of the universe.”  Well, yes, and so are the lives of squirrels and redwoods. But what Miller really means here –and we can have no doubt about this given the content of his talks and writings –is that the laws of the universe are fine-tuned for the appearance of humans, and that, given the nature of evolution and Earth, the appearance of higher intellectual capabilities (ones that could apprehend and worship their Creator) is inevitable.

What bothers me is that Miller can’t resist slipping in, under the guise of his expertise as a biologist, the idea that it is scientific to assert that the laws of physics are fine-tuned for our appearance, as is the nature of the evolutionary process itself.  But those are NOT scientific statements; they are philosophy born of religion.  That’s why I don’t think people who represent the public face of evolution should mix their magisteria.   It gives the authority of science to statements for which we have either no evidence, or counterevidence.

Miller replies:

Coyne's own preconceptions on this issue have blinded him to the fact that there is a large group of non-religious scientists who have come to exactly the same conclusions I have with respect to the ability of evolution to produce intelligent life. Who are these folks? They include everyone who has worked in, supported, or argued for SETI, the search for extraterrestrial intelligence. Most prominent among them would be the late Carl Sagan. Sagan's confidence that intelligent life would be found elsewhere in the universe most certainly did not stem from religious convictions — he was an outspoken atheist — but from an analysis of the vastness of the universe and the inherent capacity of matter to give rise to life.

I am not a theist or deist or believer of any sort - my religious outlook would be hard to differentiate from that of Coyne, PZ Myers,  Richard Dawkins, or Richard Feynman. But I'm siding with Miller here: to say that "our lives are a direct consequence of the characteristics of the universe" is not a claim that the universe was purposely fine-tuned for us; it's essentially just a statement of the weak anthropic principle, and Miller has, in multiple places, explicitly denied that he is arguing that the universe was set up explicitly to produce the species Homo sapiens.

In fact, substitute 'solar system' or 'galaxy' or 'life' for 'human presence' in Miller's statement above, and it becomes more obvious how uncontroversial Miller's claim is. 'Accident' is frankly a bad term, playing into the creationist notion that what we observe around us is so improbable, that natural laws couldn't possibly have produced it. Contingent, yes, but accidental no; as Stuart Kauffman says, we're at home in the universe. The development of life from pre-biotic chemical systems, and the evolution of consciousness, is not going to happen anywhere else in the universe exactly as it happened here, but it's extremly probable that life and intelligence have developed in some form elsewhere. If not, origins-of-life researchers like Dave Deamer are pursuing a hopeless research program.

This is one of the most awe-inspiring features of our universe - that it can produce such amazing complex systems. The idea that scientists can understand the origins of life from non-life, or the evolution of complex living systems, in the same way that they understand the evolution of nebulae and solar systems, came to me as an epiphany in grad school, and has driven my research interests ever since. Miller absoutely right to say that "Far from robbing our lives of meaning, it instils an appreciation for the beautiful, enduring, and ultimately triumphant phenomenon of life."

And if theists want to argue that this can be consistent with their theological beliefs, fine: we've now left the realm of science and entered theology and philosophy. Maybe Miller holds some inconsistent beliefs; well, we all do, and that shouldn't disqualify us from being scientists. The bottom line, though, is that Miller has not distorted the science.

There is one more element to this debate: I think Jerry Coyne is insane to fight this battle, one in which he's taken on some of the most effective public defenders of evolution education around. Although scientists are more likely than not to have doubts about God, there are still large numbers of believing scientists, and even larger numbers of students, parents, politicians, voters, and taxpayers who are theists. If evolutionary biology is a direct assault on religion, why should these people support it in our schools and grant-funded labs? Since Coyne is not about to convince most people to give up their religion, the only kind of victory he can achieve here is the pyrrhic sort.

There is more than scientist self-interest at stake here too. Science is one of the outstanding human achievements. Let's not turn curious minds away from it with mistaken claims that the most prominent Christian scientists can only maintain their belief by short-changing or distorting the science. The fact is that there are people who are both outstanding scientists and devout religious believers, and attacking these people really doesn't achieve much.



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Gerhard Adam's picture
Very good article.

Steve Davis's picture
Quite so Gerhard.
And Mike correctly picked up on the weakness in Coyne's argument; you can't add to another person's statement then argue against the add-ons. 

Gerhard Adam's picture
After thinking about it some more, it occurs to me that the fundamental risk associated with ANY belief system, is that it can restrict the kinds of questions you may think to ask.  This isn't to imply that anything is forbidden, but rather the edges of our thoughts are often those most closely tied to our belief system framework and consequently it may well restrict the ways in which a problem can be viewed.

adaptivecomplexity's picture
It's certainly unavoidable - even though I think some people's beliefs are more well-founded than others', all of us carry beliefs that shape our perceptions in ways we may not even be aware of.

I'm with you on this. Funding of education and research is a political process and, like it or not, accommodation is going to happen. Might as well prepare for it and Miller and Collins are the perfect guys to help with that. Conflicts like this put the lie to the monolithic Darwinist conspiracy, don't they?

adaptivecomplexity's picture
Conflicts like this put the lie to the monolithic Darwinist conspiracy, don't they?

Right  - and it illustrates the intellectual power of the scientific method, when people with such fundamental disagreements come to a consensus on things like common descent.

Gerhard Adam's picture
Whoa!.  You're reading way too much into what I said.  There is no "Darwinist conspiracy".  The fact that there may be differences of opinion regarding the boundaries of science and belief does not give credence to the idea that ignorance is a substitute for knowledge.

Creationism/ID are NOT about science nor the exploration of ideas.  They are explicitly about short-circuiting research for the express purpose of advancing a religious agenda.  I don't have a problem with scientists having various beliefs.  I do have a problem with various "believers" thinking they are scientists.

Rick Ryals's picture
Oh me... here I go again...

To say that our lives are anything other than an accident (including, of course, the accidents of meiosis and of which sperm makes it to the egg), buys into the idea — one that Miller has promulgated –that the appearance of humans or something like us was inevitable.

And both of them, as well as 99.99999% of everybody else that crosses this notion falls for the hype that this must mean that there must be an intelligent agent involved in order for it to be true.... WRONG!

This bogus assumption then causes the "skeptic" to take the position of denial, rather than to look to see if there might be some good physical reason why we might be completely necessary to the physical process that has nothing to do with god or ID.

Also, the weak anthropic principle is only valid with the assumption of a multiverse, unless you can produce the cosmological structure principle that explains why we are just a consequence of otherwise highly pointed physics.

http://knol.google.com/k/richard-ryals/the-anthropic-principle/1cb34nnch...

adaptivecomplexity's picture
Also, the weak anthropic principle is only valid with the assumption of a multiverse,

No - the weak anthropic principle is just about observational bias: since we're here, the universe must be able to produce human beings.  That's still true even if this universe is the only one possible.

Rick Ryals's picture
The weak interpretation is not what we observe. In other words, if you do away with the multiverse, then what is left is indicative of a very strong bio-oriented cosmological structure principle principle. Observation bias is a selection effect that has nothing to do with the conundrum that physicists face when trying to resolve the mystery of the near-static yet expanding universe... unless... you admit a multitude of woulda' could' should' into the mix.

adaptivecomplexity's picture
Here is Roger Penrose's definition of the weak anthropic principle:
"The argument can be used to explain why the conditions happen to be just right for the existence of (intelligent) life on the earth at the present time. For if they were not just right, then we should not have found ourselves to be here now, but somewhere else, at some other appropriate time. This principle was used very effectively by Brandon Carter and Robert Dicke to resolve an issue that had puzzled physicists for a good many years. The issue concerned various striking numerical relations that are observed to hold between the physical constants (thegravitational constant, the mass of the proton, the age of the universe, etc.). A puzzling aspect of this was that some of the relations hold only at the present epoch in the earth's history, so we appear, coincidentally, to be living at a very special time (give or take a few million years!). This was later explained, by Carter and Dicke, by the fact that this epoch coincided with the lifetime of what are called main-sequence stars, such as the sun. At any other epoch, so the argument ran, there would be no intelligent life around in order to measure the physical constants in question-so the coincidence had to hold, simply because there would be intelligent life around only at the particular time that the coincidence did hold!"

There is no multiverse assumption necessary here.

Rick Ryals's picture
The argument can be used to explain why the conditions happen to be
just right for the existence of (intelligent) life on the earth at the
present time. For if they were not just right, then we should not have
found ourselves to be here now, but somewhere else, at some other
appropriate time.

I'm not sure what Penrose is claiming here because there is no other "appropriate time".  Like Dicke observed 'the universe is not random but is constrained by biological factors'... to evolve to a point to produce life over a specifically defined region of the observed universe, and at a equally specific time in its history.

There is nothing "weak" about the observations that Penrose lists.

jtwitten's picture
My stock response to people's disbelief that a specific, improbable set of circumstances could have occurred by chance.
Never let the astronomical improbability of a specific sequence of events occurring distract you from the undeniable fact that specific events happen all the time.

Another way to say this is that:
Your statistical significance is an artifact that is directly proportional to the crappiness of your null hypothesis.

Rick Ryals's picture
But here's the kicker.

Probabilities have absolutely nothing to do with it until you bail out on first principles because we do have a most natural expectation for what the universe should look like that is not observed:

Is Our Universe Natural?
http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0512148

What we do observe has a vast array of biological commonalities with the structure of the universe that extend from the "flat" balanced structure of the universe itself all the way down to our own local ecobalances.

The clear yet willfully ignored call is for a bio-oriented cosmological structure principle that includes carbon based life in the path of least action.

But the anthropic principle doesn't even exist for non-string theorists who refuse to call it anything other than "the fine tuning problem" for which they will only accept a solution that explains why we are just a consequence of otherwise highly pointed physics.

Check out Lawrence Krauss at the bottom of my previously linked page to see this dogma in action...

And then you can understand why physicists haven't been able to resolve the problem from first principles in 50 years of trying.  And that' is the reason that David Gross calls it 'the single biggest failure of physicists in the last "20" years.

Nobody seems to get it...  They are desperate for a principle but refuse to even consider the *most apparent* solution.... freaking drives me nuts!

Fred Pauser's picture
Mike, your points are very well expressed and right on target. And I might add, it’s refreshing to see an atheist (and other atheists here) side with a Christian. :) That shows that ideological (atheistic) bias is not great enough here to interfere with clear and reasonable assessment of the situation.

Unfortunately the same cannot be said for Jerry Coyne. It’s a bit sad to see a very intelligent and well educated man, a scientist who is trained to use bias-eliminating methods in his work, nevertheless fall victim bias. But then we are all fallible. If Jerry gets enough feedback similar to Mike’s, perhaps he will see his error.

Miller’s view about life emerging from nature is backed up to a considerable extent by facts we have learned about how the universe has developed increasingly complex atomic and chemical structures followed by the apparent emergence of life, followed by the development of increasingly complex life forms. I’m especially pleased to see people here uphold Miller’s point on this.

I’m a deist and a staunch evolutionist. Of course I see no conflict in holding those two positions, but I admit to having difficulty understanding how Miller can reconcile Catholic doctrine with evolution. But what counts is that his science in not negatively affected. Also, he is very good at explaining science a way that the public can understand. At the Dover trial he was absolutely terrific!

adaptivecomplexity's picture
But what counts is that his science in not negatively affected. Also, he is very good at explaining science a way that the public can understand. At the Dover trial he was absolutely terrific!

I certainly agree. The same thing goes for Francis Collins - his biologos website is not persuasive to me, but when it comes to genomics and evolution, Collins is a leader.
In spite of what the Intelligent Design crew may claim, most of us in biology aren't interested in enforcing ideological purity of philosophical, political, or religious views; what matters is how you handle the science.


Supernatural-religion / science two entirely different domains of metaphor/frames. Not sure why even try to broker agreement/discussion. Language seems mutually exclusive. Feeling based largely unconscious anyway.

I prefer metaphors of science. Work much better in hospital and in airplane.

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