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By Michael White | August 31st 2009 10:46 AM | 6 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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About Michael White

Welcome to Adaptive Complexity, where I write about genomics, systems biology, evolution, and the connection between science and literature, government, and society.

I'm a biochemist


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After earning the ire of computational biologists and network theorists last week, it's time to get to the positive side of networks and systems biology. If you hadn't guessed it before, the name of this blog reflects my interest in complex biological systems. When I rant about networks and comp. bio., it's tough love, and I really have the best interests of the field at heart.

Here's something that ought to put my take on the field in context. It's from an interview with Stanford Economist Brian Arthur and his early direction of the economics research program at the complex systems-oriented Santa Fe Instutite:

[Arthur] made two key decisions early on, he says. The first had to do with topics. He was distinctly unenthused by the idea of applying chaos theory and nonlinear dynamics to economics, which seemed to be a big part of what [Nobel-winning economist Ken] Arrow had in mind. There were plenty of other groups doing that kind of thing already - and with very few worthwhile results, so far as he could tell. Nor was Arthur interested in having the program build some huge economic simulation of the whole world. "This may have been in [Citibank big shot and Satana Fe Institute benefactor] John Reed's mind," he says, "and it seems to be the first thing engineers or physicists want to do. But it's as if I said to you, 'You're an astrophysicist, why don't you build a model of the universe?' " Such a model would be just about as hard to understand as the real universe, he says, which is why astrophysicists don't do it that way. Instead, they have one set of models for quasars, another set for spiral galaxies, another set for star formation, and so on. They go in with a computational scalpel to dissect specific phenomena.

And that's exactly what Arthur wanted to do in the Sante Fe program... He also wanted people to learn how to walk before they tried to run. In particular, he wanted to see the program take some of the classical problems in economics, the hoary old chestnuts in the field, and see how they changed when you loked at them in terms of adaptation, evolution, learning, multiple equilibria, emergence, and complexity - all the Santa Fe themes...

That emphasis on the old chestnuts got the program in hot water later, says Arthur, when a number of people on the institute's science board accused them of being insufficiently innovative. "But we thought it was just good science, good politics, and good procedure to approach the standard problems," he says. "These are problems that economists recognize. Above all, if we could prove that changing the theoretical assumptions to be more realistic made major differences to the insights you got, maybe getting a feeling of more realism in those insights, then we could show the field that we had really contributed something."

From Complexity, Mitchell Waldrop, p. 244-245


Complex systems researchers need to follow this advice. The availability of petabytes of data and cheap computational power doesn't mean it's a wise idea to build huge models of everything, like say, the entire transcription network of a cell. Traditional biologists may not be that computer-savvy, but they have been very good at defining important biological questions. Most molecular biologists I know would love to understand, on a quantitative level, why a MAP kinase pathway or transcriptional cascade functions the way it does. They're sympathetic to systems-level questions, as long as those are questions with the promise to make an impact on how all biologists, computational and wet-lab, think about about transcription or signal transdusction.


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Your quotation contains several typos. "Ninlinear" dynamics is my favorite. I'm sure the study of Trent Reznor's work is, to his fans at least (and, for the record, I do not count myself a fan), worthy of its own body of research, but I'm almost 100% sure that's not what you intended to say. Did you use OCR or something to scan this block of text? I wanted to Buzz this post on yahoo, but I was hoping you might fix these errors first.

Love the blog. I wish you'd take some time to speak a little more on your own particular view of complexity, complex systems, networks, and complexity theory. The field is still so new that the terminology itself is often fuzzy and overlapping. I've read books that placed network science as a sub-field of complexity theory (Mark Buchanan) and books that claimed complexity theory was a sub-discipline of network theory (Barabasi). I've heard scientists who casually proclaimed that complexity theory was nothing more than an extension of chaos theory and that ultimately they were the same thing (Steven L. Goldman ) and scientists claiming that chaos and complexity are complementary, yet polar, opposites (seemingly everyone else). Likewise I've often heard nonlinear dynamics described as a field within complexity science, and then I've read sources claiming that complex systems research and complexity theory should be classified beneath the rubric of "nonlinear science" along with chaos theory, fractal geometry, the study of solitons, cellular automata, and what have you.

So, what I'm most curious to see (well, read) in this blog is what do *you* think? Where do you fall on these most basic and fundamental questions? The most confusing thing for those of us trying to learn about and desiring to perhaps get into the field ourselves some day is that complexity theory (or science, if you prefer), chaos theory, nonlinear dynamics, network theory, and general systems theory are all discreet and definable in specific terms dealing with specific topics and ideas--but they all nonetheless share common subject matter, similar perspectives and methodological tools, and often overlap one another like the Venn diagram from Hell. They all relate to one another, but the experts seem divided on just how they do so.

Perhaps you could write your own little primer to the field--the larger subject of complexity and complex systems, that is, as well as how it relates to and unites disciplines such as sociology and economics in addition to your own field of biology. How is the aspiring student of complexity to navigate the the sometimes messy terminology of an intellectual arena that despite being several decades in the making still feels young and is evolving with every year that passes in surprising ways?

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Your quotation contains several typos. "Ninlinear" dynamics is my favorite. I'm sure the study of Trent Reznor's work is, to his fans at least (and, for the record, I do not count myself a fan), worthy of its own body of research, but I'm almost 100% sure that's not what you intended to say.

Thanks for the heads up (and the Nine Inch Nails reference...). I am the worst proofreader in the world, but usually I at least do a spellcheck, but apparently not in this case. I think I fixed everything. I typed the quote myself, which in my case is a process subject to a high error rate.

The most confusing thing for those of us trying to learn about and desiring to perhaps get into the field ourselves some day is that complexity theory (or science, if you prefer), chaos theory, nonlinear dynamics, network theory, and general systems theory are all discreet and definable in specific terms dealing with specific topics and ideas--but they all nonetheless share common subject matter, similar perspectives and methodological tools, and often overlap one another like the Venn diagram from Hell. They all relate to one another, but the experts seem divided on just how they do so.

I agree. That makes the field really frustrating. And in biology in particular, it's not always obvious which of these tools should be applied to a given biological problem. Just in the field of systems biology alone, defining what should be encompassed by this field and what the major questions are is an area of heated controversy.

Nobody has yet come up with a strong, unified intellectual framework for dealing with all complex systems, one that is so convincing to others that people build on it and the field moves forward. I think a big part of the problem is the tendency that Brian Arthur was trying to combat in the situation quoted above. Too many complex systems research get away from the specifics of a given problem, and try to find the theoretical solution applicable to all complex systems. Maybe someday that will be feasible, but right now, I think we make the most progress by focusing on very well-defined specific problems in specific fields. Once we have broad success there, then we can start thinking about grand unified theories of complexity.

I've written a few pieces about the role of systems analysis in biology, here, here, here, and here, but I know that's not exactly what you're suggesting we talk about. I like your suggestion (and after my critical pieces of the last two weeks, multiple readers have asked me to write about some positive views of networks and systems). So stay tuned, and I'll share how I've tried to navigate the 'Venn diagram from Hell'. I think we can have a great discussion.


Nobody has yet come up with a strong, unified intellectual framework for dealing with all complex systems, one that is so convincing to others that people build on it and the field moves forward.
Sure, and this is quite natural I think. It took us nearly 100 years to go from Darwin to the majority consensus that we now see around the modern synthesis of evolution, and even now there are unexplained questions concerning kin selection, some avid proponents of neo-Lamarckianism (Lynn Margulis is the first who comes to mind), and the some real concerns around the reductionism and atomization of biological systems to single genes contained solely in DNA (epigenetics may well be a central field of biology moving into the future). But, I'm not a biologist or even a biology major. As a student of science, however, I think it's fair enough to say that no field really has a unified intellectual framework--or at least not one that stands for very long before the next paradigm shift unseats it. If Darwin was to biology as Newton was to physics, then we'll have to wait for biology's Einstein to come along. Physics, meanwhile, is still trying to find Einstein's successor. So, even when complex systems finds a unified intellectual framework, it will only be so that we can start the hard work of proving that framework wrong, or at least incomplete. And, as far as I can tell, that is precisely how science is supposed to work :)

But this brings me to my other point.
Too many complex systems research get away from the specifics of a given problem, and try to find the theoretical solution applicable to all complex systems.
On the other hand, there are many who would argue that the ubiquity of complexity concepts is what makes it such a powerful paradigm in the first place. One could point out the way in which ideas like self-organization, self-organized criticality, emergence, adaptation, network structure, and for that matter chaos, nonlinearity, fractal geometry, and feedback loops easily apply to systems regardless of their constituents and the detailed properties of their constituents. In fact, this is often promoted as being the central idea of complexity theory: that there is some kind of order or laws of form that transcend the physical makeup of any particular system--that there is some mathematical dimension to reality or that information structures themselves are important to understanding the universe and trying together the various fields. What I personally find intriguing is the promise of understanding complex, real-world phenomena as emergent manifestations of the laws of physics and perhaps the basic principles and processes inherent to collective structures and self-organizing systems. Complexity, to me, seems to represent a "Russian doll" theory of everything in that it ties together our knowledge and gives us a really good explanation for why ideas from abstract fields like mathematics are so often fruitful in real world science as well as why abstract ideas in one field so often serve as useful analogues in another. That structure and relationships between entities are as important and sometimes more important than the properties of individual elements themselves, is to me a revelation worthy of the word "revolution".

Of course, holism of any kind can often lead to little more than qualitative descriptions and observations--which is I think what you have a problem with. Yet, this can also lead to unexpected discoveries and realizations. Without justifying this kind of research too strongly, it does have to be said that observation and research of this kind does have a place in science, even if it is better thought of as curious play rather than rigorous experimentation. Especially in cases where the limits of reductionism are readily apparent, diverging from the traditional methodology and mindset of Baconian science may be necessary to make the next big leap in thought. Since nature is a single, closed system, we have to surmise that all our scientific and intellectual disciplines are likewise unified and seamless. From there, it's not too large a leap to suggest that universal laws of self-organization or some other principles of complex systems might not only be universal, but might represent a different dimension of nature altogether than what traditional science has been designed to understand. At least, that's my view on it, and it's what's interested me in these topics from the beginning. My own personal interest is in the application of complexity to social and geopolitical systems and to some extent to economic systems as well, specifically with regard to human history. What I like is the power of complex systems to put human history in a context that appreciates the contingency and interdenpence of numerous levels of inquiry at once: economic, social, political, military, geographical/spatial, ecological, etc. To me, complexity science offers the ability to apply a new set of ideas and methodological tools to understanding subjects and phenomena that were once considered outside the domain of science propper, much the way evolution and genetics allowed biology to mature into a true science on par and connected with physics and chemistry.

Although, I do understand and recognize your concerns and your criticisms of systems biologists. It's an eternal truth that one's tools, intellectual or physical, are only as good as the questions or problems to which they apply them and whether or not they are applied appropriately. Emergence, for example, is a truly transformative idea, but after the initial paradigm shift ensues, there will be more questions (new questions, perhaps) than answers. Simply pointing and saying "emergence!" will no longer be productive, or interesting. But, thankfully, I see a lot of evidence that we're entering into a period of deep, profound, and yet focused questions, with (hopefully) answers that are equally so.

My HTML for the quotes did not work. My appologies.

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Thanks for your comment. I will reply - I've just been short on time today.

No problem. Take your time. I was way too verbose, anyway :)

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