"Bill, your ignorance is astounding," and, "Are you quite okay with millions of people starving to death (perhaps as long as they are all from the third world)?"

Bjørn:

Your own ad hominem attack, (which includes a greatly exaggerated false accusation, that I somehow welcome death or destruction) demonstrates that you haven't the intellectual honesty to actually examine what I had said in light of historical fact. Instead, you concentrate on me personally, as if that justifies erroneous behavior and panic driven response to natural calamity.

THAT alone is why I pointed out above that attacking Freeman Dyson as a person is asinine… especially when he happens to be correct. The desired order of interest is for solving problems, not in having to waste time in responding to distractive personal attack or emotional appeal as points of debate.

It is the distraction of such attacks that make our efforts at actually SOLVING problems virtually impossible. It is because people worship celebrity rather than verifiable knowledge or actual accomplishment that such a condition exists. To such folks as you, it's the man that is more important than the idea he expresses, (worshipping Mr. Obama won't change the stupidity of his rushing to unconstitutionally seize power as a quasi-dictator). Thus Dyson's own disdain for those that worship titles such as BS, (we ALL know what that stands for) and PhD, (the same stuff as BS, just piled higher and deeper).

What "ignorance" have I displayed in my analysis?

In true "scientific" fashion, I list the obvious effects and possible long term consequences of present global warming trends, noting they are far more likely to be rather temporary than permanent, and that they will result in not an overlong heating, but far longer cooling effect on planet Earth's biosphere. Among which also I note the natural correction of centuries of man's abuse of precious, life-giving coastal environments and ecologies.

Why, YES! I DO think it both possible, but actually beneficial that we abandon such cities and replace them with better planned ones in far better locations. The false hope that one places in government edict to "solve" much at all is easily repudiated by looking at what it has already accomplished.

You seem not to comprehend that man can DO absolutely nothing other than add labor to the virtually unlimited resources that nature already supplies us. Every economy on the planet, either personal or national is based upon the addition of work to resources. So, the only REAL consequence to man from unavoidable global warming is the addition of work. But, as this IS the basis of our economies, the economic impact on us is actually very positive and substantial.

I suppose that you aren't ready for "change we can believe in?" (Water up to your knees is quite believable.)

Thus, the solution to global warming is to learn how to live with it and to exploit it to our benefit, rather than to destroy entire economic systems and restrain people's liberty by rushing about in panic, and imposing your unnecessarily idiotic "rules" upon how we live. (Nor should anyone welcome the rules of the game to be stacked in anyone's particular favor, regardless of the supposed justifications. Whenever the rules are capriciously modified, the really smart folks play to win by stretching such advantage to the limit. Thus, the unintended consequence that trying to "help" the less fortunate own their residence resulted in an unsustainable RE bubble, which has now, with the aid of many factors too numerous to list here, CAUSED the meltdown of the global economy, and completely enslaved Americans to pay for our politically generated and totally unnecessary debt forever.)

Having been in some 43 nations to date, (a few for extended periods) I can assure you that I am very well acquainted with anything you may imagine in the Third World, and an awful lot that you couldn't begin to conceive. So, my desire for such people to have as many benefits as we Americans presently do drives me to stop the politicians and seek the people to find out what they truly desire or need.

What they DON'T want is for some well-meaning fool to destroy their ability to feed their families, by taking away the markets that support their personal economies. (It is interesting to note that when we ask African villagers what they most dearly need, they respond with "pens." This is because the pen is necessary to achieve any kind of decent education, and the cost of a Bic or Berol throwaway pen is over a day's wages in the far away city. The lesson here is that we need to set aside our misconceptions about what we think others "need" and LISTEN TO THEM instead.)

Technically, this planet can accommodate about 35 Billion people without them having to starve. I've personally fed a family of four from the produce of 5 x 15 meters, and still gave the neighbors our excess tomatoes. I've already designed portable multi-megawatt wind collectors to use to both power villages and provide clean drinking water for thousands, using GE ZeeWeed filtration elements. (Send an e-mail to ecospotbnr@aol.com and I'll send you a pdf file on it.) I've also been granted several patents in my work on 99.9% energy efficient light emitting capacitors, commonly called EL lights. So, it is rather clear that my heart's desire is to provide people BETTER means of stewardship over their own natural resources, and thus to improve their lives.

What exactly have all the Global Warming propaganda, chants, protests, web sites, and etc. ad nauseum have provided anything of value whatsoever for the poor in Bangladesh? Perhaps if you nuts would actually take some modest amount of cash from YOUR pockets and send it to a Pakistani or Bangladeshi micro-finance organization, YOU would create small businesses and enterprises for a Bangladeshi or Pakistani family to earn their daily bread from. Folks having the ability to provide for themselves and family are generally a lot more peaceful than those in need or want. They also make good neighbors, customers and suppliers to grow economies from.

Or, is it infinitely MORE important that YOU publically appear to have a heart you cannot posses in imposing your cult of personality will upon others?

BTW, I freely gave away the rights to passive solar desalinization technology that could, for example, provide California a second Colorado River's worth of drinking water, simply by exploiting 35 square miles of our desert wasteland and a pumping station somewhere at our 900 mile long shoreline. California's politicians rejected the gift outright, so it now resides in Riyadh, where a people desperate for fresh water may exploit it to everyone's advantage. This experience demonstrates that anyone that “believes in” a politician or political ideology will also believe in anything; just nothing worthy of man's efforts.

Now, you are more edified on the subject. I sincerely pray it helps you to reconsider your ideals and agendas.

This elitist hypocrite snob, arrogant, Nazi, ad hominem attacking, childlike moron, intellectually reamed, egocentric elitist, juvenile, rave/disco abuser agrees with Bill that this discussion is over.

If anyone else is still reading, notice that I said "I'm not saying whether it should be done or not, but of course it can be done. It is done daily, routinely, through laws," which can be roughly translated to mean "I'm not saying whether it should be done or not, but of course it can be done. It is done daily, routinely, through laws."

I realize you had to read between the lines, but this should make it clear what I meant, and you can then make up your own minds as to whether by my words I am an elitist hypocritical, egocentric, moronic, arrogant Nazi snob.