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By Michael White | June 18th 2009 11:31 AM | 4 comments | Print | E-mail | Track Comments
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Welcome to Adaptive Complexity, where I write about genomics, systems biology, evolution, and the connection between science and literature, government, and society.

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Over at the Monkey Cage:

Fact: Academicians tend to be politically differentiated according to discipline, with those in the social sciences and humanities on the left, those in the natural sciences in the middle, and those in engineering and business on the right.

Argument: This is no coincidence. Students’ political attitudes are being shaped by their professors.


Counterargument: Agreed. It’s not a coincidence. But the operative force is self-selection, not socialization.


I haven't seen any surveys, but this characterization of political differentiation jives with what I've seen. Of course no discipline is homogeneous.

As for why it works out this way? My vote is largely for self-selection. The notion that students on the right or in the middle are converted to lefties by left-wing professors is frankly crazy: there is no way professors have that much power. Professors probably do more to shape the political attitudes of students who are already leaning in the direction of a professors' beliefs.




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Hank's picture
Self-selection sounds wonderfully empowering yet is unlikely to be true.   It's in defiance of everything we know about both politics and the human condition.   In California last decade, for example, Grey Davis won an election and rewarded academia with literally tens of thousands of jobs.   These were not Republicans he was repaying for support, he was adding more Democrat voters because they are a crucial market.

No one wants to look like they are in the bag for a political party but if academia in the US is over 80% Democrat overall and 72% of professors deny any liberal bias exists, it's because they are liberal.   There aren't enough humanities/social science people to tilt things to 85% if you guys are in the middle and business and engineering are on the right.    That has no impact on students?   In 1984 I was in college and convinced Walter Mondale would get 60% of the vote over Reagan yet he lost in a landslide.  

If no such tilting can occur due to that, then billions of dollars spent on advertising is a waste.    Obama  changed his mind about taking public financing during the election so he could raise and outspend McCain by 2 to 1, some $300 million to get his 53% total - and the bulk of his spending did not go to awareness of issues at colleges, it went to 'get out the vote' campaigns.   He knew they were already voting Democrat, he just needed to make sure they showed up.

Some of this is a youthful demographic, of course.   Young people are more liberal and idealistic.    Heck, I am vaguely suspicious of young conservatives because they seem rather jaded and young people should believe that government spending and regulation and trying really hard can meaningfully change people's lives even if they don't want to be changed.    Experience and age tells us otherwise, so I am also vaguely suspicious of old liberals because they come across as shrill and a little kooky.

I don't think a liberal tilt in science is a bad thing.   Idealized notions about what we can accomplish if we care make this whole site possible.    But we're a science site and about as neutral as can be, yet how many actual Republicans/conservatives/right wing people are here?  Self selection is just a way for people to say, "I am not being manipulated" - even if they are.

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 There aren't enough humanities/social science people to tilt things to 85% if you guys are in the middle and business and engineering are on the right.   

It's true that these characterizations are relative. The numbers from this study break down like this:
The study also broke down the findings by academic discipline, and found that humanities faculty members were the most likely (81 percent) to be liberal. The liberal percentage was at its highest in English literature (88 percent), followed by performing arts and psychology (both 84 percent), fine arts (83 percent), political science (81 percent).

Other fields have more balance. The liberal-conservative split is 61-29 in education, 55-39 in economics, 53-47 in nursing, 51-19 in engineering, and 49-39 in business.

I think self-selection is a huge part of why students in different disciplines have different political outlooks, and that the stereotype view that liberal professors are converting their conservative students is an extreme distortion, based primarily on perceptions on high-profile, Ivy-league or equivalent schools.  The academic world doesn't just consist of UC Berkeley, Stanford, Harvard, Yale, etc. - you've got to think about places like Michigan State, Ohio State, Baylor, Brigham Young (where I went), U of Georgia...






Having noticed this myself, my vote is that it is absolutely self-selection. It’s no coincidence that the fields with the most earning potential (business, engineering) are populated by mostly conservatives, and that those with low earning potential (art, music, history) are liberals. It’s the same reason that you don’t see many liberals on Wall Street or conservatives working in art museums. Conservatives in the US just value money and power more than liberals, who may actually shun these things as “selling out”.

The natural sciences have a mix of the two, due to the different career options. Conservatives are much more likely to want an big pharma or industry job, while liberals prefer to stay in academia and pursue basic science.

I’m not saying that this is true for all the grad students all of the time, but it certainly seems like an accurate depiction of the general trend.

Right-o, but you also have to consider that some fields are inherently more liberal, be it in terms of their content or funding structure. It'd be rather hard, I think, be a republican sociologist, or to be a libertarian scientist at NASA.

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